immortal flames unplayable

And there it is, the inevitable "naw man it ain't me" response. You're complaining about bad matches, your "proof" that you're helping is having a high k/d ratio and negligible node tags on a class that is a high priority target for oppenents and should be focused on capture and defense, and you're blaming this on some vague claim of collusion. I get the sense that you're confusing attack and defense with chasing and you're one of the people leading small units off to farm stragglers of a failed push, rather than disengaging and falling back to the node to secure defense or prep for a push of our own. Your own numbers tell the lie: as a WAR your kill rate should be lower (since you should be close to the node and making people think twice about rushing through), your death rate should be higher (since, as mentioned prior, you're a high priority target, and you should be at the forefront of most pushes), and your occupied should be much higher (as your key utility is to rush in headlong, break enemy defense, take the node yourself and say MINE to anyone that disagrees). Not sure what you think a video will show otherwise, unless you intend to show us a montage of you with a hand up to a node with the word "interrupted" flashing on screen over and over.

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Originally Posted by ess-vid

...your death rate should be higher...

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That depends doesn't it? If the team really is that bad, why sacrifice oneself for "teamwork" when there is none? You notice very quickly in a match if teamwork is feasible at all. Adders on Chaos are so bad now, the opposing team usually ends up with several battle fever (warriors more often than not). I bet they even don't need to cap nodes, they could purely win by eating snakes for dinner.

Talking meta I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Edit: Scratch that, they are actually getting worse... The pain ;_;

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when i moved to adders for two weeks, it was fun trying to get battle high without dying while the rest of Adders are falling flat in a couple of seconds lol. though it's a good match if the pheonix pre-made are playing, they are actually decent Adders to play with/against.

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Originally Posted by PvpDRG

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What data center are you on? I've been complaining about queue times on Aether and only getting 24-man queues, but one thing I absolutely can't complain about is win-rate. Aether Immortal Flames have always been good, but since 3.1 we've been winning virtually every match.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

Aether Immortal Flames have always been good, but since 3.1 we've been winning virtually every match.

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Primal Immortal Flames. The Immortal Flames on Primal are a much different story on Primal than they are on Aether.

I understand both sides of the coin here. There are times where I just cannot for the life of me understand what the hell the Flames are doing. Some people are just so mind-bogglingly stupid. Several instances such as:

Why are you chasing that lone Astrologian across the map when there's an S rank behind us? Are you seriously getting baited that hard?
Why are you guys all over the place? We can easily take this node in front of us if you'd round up.
Why are we attacking the Adders if Mael has three nodes? This makes virtually no sense.
Why is nobody listening to calls? You guys just cost us 40 points because you haphazardly charged at a node while everyone else was making the correct move.

The Flames tend to have more players who care only about themselves/their tomes, and couldn't care less about the GC/team, so it results in more separatists attitudes.
There's a huge difference between when we rally together and when we don't. If people start off the match shitting on themselves and the Flames, then halfway through people give up because "lolItoldyouso" despite the fact we can still easily win if people just pay attention. There's too much defeatism. It's why nowadays I try to rouse people up with pride for the Flames because I've noticed we actually tend to do better/win more if more people are feeling prideful of the Flames.

I can't get mad for other's venting the frustration that is playing with the Immortal Flames on Primal; what I can get annoyed with is when people deem us "unplayable" simply because it appears that their own objectives don't coincide with what we need to do to win.

I posted my win rate in this thread earlier for a reason; the Flames aren't bad, they're about average, sometimes better than average on Primal. Are they amazing and spectacular? Not quite.

However, they could be if more people cared about winning and less about the esoterics and kills. If people got their shit together I'm pretty sure we could match our strength on Aether; but we aren't there yet. Yet.

Are flames on your datacenter anything like this:

http://i.imgur.com/XF8E4cK.png

According to rankings for this week, Immortal Flames has more players in the top 100 than Twin Adders, at least, and when I found you on the Immortal Flames page by Victories and it has you at 26%.

If you want people to be organized, why not start it off? Put a PF up whenever you're getting started for the night, try to make some connections, put an LS together for people that show up if they want, and after a while you'll start becoming familiar with those players in your GC and maybe your luck and strategies will improve. The LS for Maelstrom on Excal is maxed out but only ~40 people are on whenever I am, and that's not even everyone doing PVP 100% of the time, BUT it does help.

lately flames have been playing way better than previous months. so i understand where your coming from and your frustration.. but weekly based matches tend to go good to bad to horrible some times ,its just how pvp goes. As some have shown in this thread a few ppl do quiet well in pvp with flames while the majority suffer lol. no lie flames were up until prob 2 months ago one of the worse gc for pvp and there are many matches where u can see y.
been on adders and mael i can say there is no current agreement just diff play styles, mael will attk while in lead and make themselves more open to grab a node... adders will play safe and wait till its to late to attk most times... and flames jsut look a hot mess most times until they catch themselves and do what mael does...loaf..

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Originally Posted by PvpDRG

Some times mael and adders team up and attack us while we just have a single B rank node. Its nuts and annoying as hell.

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Ofc you team up with other GC and attack the weak one even if its not needed, and i can say this from experience as this happens alot for adders due most of them being pussies when it comes to fighting. Other reason might be a grudge, if your GC dominated for long peroid then it will eventually turn against you in form of "other GC's teaming up for revenge".

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Ofc you team up with other GC and attack the weak one even if its not needed, and i can say this from experience as this happens alot for adders due most of them being pussies when it comes to fighting. Other reason might be a grudge, if your GC dominated for long peroid then it will eventually turn against you in form of "other GC's teaming up for revenge".

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The second place team teaming up with the first place team to farm the last place team? That makes no sense for the second place team. And neither does it make sense for the second place team to stand back and watch the first place team farm the last place team for battle highs/fever (so fking annoying when we as maelstrom do this cause ppl are all like "oh no dont get involved let em fight" even if the first place team clearly farming em for highs/fevers"). Second place team should be hitting the first place team from behind for a sandwich if first place team focusing last place team for whatever stupid reason, unless of course they dont really care about winning anyway.