Whats with people hating F2P?

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Originally Posted by Nephera

we already have a cash shop with outrageous prices I aint even care anymore.

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Things you can buy on the cash shop: Glamours, minions, pots of rare dye, extra storage space, a stupid expensive fancy horse, server transfers, name changes, race changes

Things you cannot buy on the cash shop in XIV that you can buy in most F2P games: Exp boosts, gear with stats or upgrade items for gear, gil or other in-game currencies

The day the cash shop starts selling 210 gear directly to players is the day I quit. If you're running around in the Minfilia outfit, it just shows you had $15 to spare. If you're running around in ilvl 200+ gear, it shows you've actually been playing the game.

I would probably quit this game. If it went F2P content patches would probably be every 6 months and much smaller since funds would be decreased. And when they did come out we could be charged for the patch if they really wanted to charge for it. Also side note i think the subscription is not that bad since I could easily spend $20 or more at a movie theater per month. This game gives me entertainment everyday and is worth it.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

F2P usually means the game will become Pay 2 Win.

Without subs they'll need to generate profits via countless micro transactions for almost anything you can think of.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Actually, your average player tends to spend more on F2P games than they do on subscription-based games like WoW and FFXIV. Game quality also tends to suffer which is why the turnover rate for F2P games coming and going is so great. Going F2P also tends to start heading down the dark slippery slope of becoming P2W. Nobody likes P2W.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Because if it means the quality of game will be higher and I have to pay a monthly fee for that, then fine.
I'm one of those people who hate micro transactions with a passion.. I never do them. So in a F2P game I'd be pretty much never, ever paying for anything, which also means at that point I couldn't get anything cool or useful (since the game would have to make money somehow, it would go into useful items).

I don't see my sub as "wasting" money every month.. if you do then maybe it's time to play something else? Sure it's money that could go towards...anything else... but I've chosen to pay for a game and support a company that I like.

So no. I don't like F2P games, and especially if they come from a P2P game. If it was built with F2P, then -maybe-.

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This, exactly!


Also, the thing I hate (and I hate it with great passion) most on any F2P game is:
They always have a cash shop that introduces rare items/favorite items in a stupid RNG-box and easily get away with it. People end up spending lots of money in order to get the mount/costume/whatever out of that said RNG-box.

I think customers tend to feel that subscription games are actually a good value. I've accumulated hundreds of days, thousands of hours of playtime, and never felt that I was wasting money. In fact, I've purchased less console games since joining FFXIV because their entertainment value can't hold a candle to FFXIV without being a deep RPG or a game with significant replayability, something I can sink hundreds of hours into after paying $60.

The game has to cover its development costs somewhere, and if it's not through subscriptions, it will be through transactions that affect every minutia of the game. That's much more invasive to my experience than the cost of going to the cinema, a couple packs of smokes, or a couple six packs as a subscription fee every month.

F2P will come with an influx of immature players, rampant rmt, and SE trying to hide a lot more stuff behind their cash shop.

Everyone just gets more shadier overall.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Actually, your average player tends to spend more on F2P games than they do on subscription-based games like WoW and FFXIV. Game quality also tends to suffer which is why the turnover rate for F2P games coming and going is so great. Going F2P also tends to start heading down the dark slippery slope of becoming P2W. Nobody likes P2W.

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Nope, your average player actually doesnt spend a penny on it. F2P games rely on people who spend hundreds on the game (whales).

When Rift went free to play it had a reasonable model. The idea was that you still had a subscription but it give buffs and the rest of the money would come from mounts and costumes. Eventually the buffed the subscription so if you dodnt subscribe you couldnt cap your currency easily etc.. True PTW.

They quickly found out that you have to output lots of these to get the money so they turned to the greatest evil you now get in games - lottery boxes. You always got a prize so it's not gambling - loophole - but what you wanted was had very low in odds. Instead of outright purchasing that mount or costume it was now locked behind RNG with a chance to get it. These boxes brought in tons of money. New mount lottery boxes because world event. They were sneaky. You could do dailies to get a version of the mounts but it took about six months so by the time you got it there were other shines.

Trion are the western publisher of ArcheAge and they adopted the lottery box method there too. Any event the good costumes are behind a lottery box.

F2P is only viable when you employ dirty ways to get money from people like lottery boxes. Sadly FF14 is increasingly putting desirable things on the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Nope, your average player actually doesnt spend a penny on it. F2P games rely on people who spend hundreds on the game (whales).

When Rift went free to play it had a reasonable model. The idea was that you still had a subscription but it give buffs and the rest of the money would come from mounts and costumes. Eventually the buffed the subscription so if you dodnt subscribe you couldnt cap your currency easily etc.. True PTW.

They quickly found out that you have to output lots of these to get the money so they turned to the greatest evil you now get in games - lottery boxes. You always got a prize so it's not gambling - loophole - but what you wanted was had very low in odds. Instead of outright purchasing that mount or costume it was now locked behind RNG with a chance to get it. These boxes brought in tons of money. New mount lottery boxes because world event. They were sneaky. You could do dailies to get a version of the mounts but it took about six months so by the time you got it there were other shines.

Trion are the western publisher of ArcheAge and they adopted the lottery box method there too. Any event the good costumes are behind a lottery box.

F2P is only viable when you employ dirty ways to get money from people like lottery boxes. Sadly FF14 is increasingly putting desirable things on the cash shop.

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This is the sole reason why I hate Trion with great passion and will never ever play a game with their name again!!

So far SE has kept its only lottery box strictly in-game with the stupid card packs from Gold Saucer. They're abstracted twice away from real dollars - you cannot even buy them with real gil, you have to buy them with MGP or win them in the tournament.

If SE offers a lottery box on the cash shop I'm going to seriously raise an eyebrow.

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Originally Posted by PawsTheKitti123

Why? You like spending loads of cash and wasting money every month/two months/three? I hate it. Its a waste

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I don't think very many people are going to agree with you on this.

I know I for one don't feel like my subscription is a waste. If it was, I wouldn't be paying it.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

So far SE has kept its only lottery box strictly in-game with the stupid card packs from Gold Saucer. They're abstracted twice away from real dollars - you cannot even buy them with real gil, you have to buy them with MGP or win them in the tournament.

If SE offers a lottery box on the cash shop I'm going to seriously raise an eyebrow.

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Going what were were told the only reason they couldn't monetise the Golden Saucer was because there would have been too many legal issues with the number of territories the game is in. Sadly it seems like this game is slowly going towards a cash shop heavy model.