Please define 'Clear' party more clearly.

I see "Clear Party" and translate that as "Some Experience Required.

I see " Learning Party" and read it as "Rookies Welcomed".

I see " Farm Party" and I understand that as "Experienced players only, new players not Welcomed".

I see " Thorden EX Clear/Farm Party, No Noobs!!!" And I'm like "Really? This has only been out almost two weeks" and proceed to add said PL to my black list for unacceptable levels of elitisim.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I see " Thorden EX Clear/Farm Party, No Noobs!!!" And I'm like "Really? This has only been out almost two weeks" and proceed to add said PL to my black list for unacceptable levels of elitisim.

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almost 2 weeks? ...not even one yet

Clear party means one or more people have not completed the fight but have experience with all of the phases and mechanics. These types of groups are expected to clear with a minimal amount of wipes.

I've been in about as many clear parties where we actually managed to clear as I have joined clear party groups with people expecting carries and constantly wiping to the first phase. Its like playing the lottery with these groups. Sometimes you strike gold and everything works out, other times you feel like you just wasted your time.

I think its fair for people to leave a clear party if the group just isn't clearing or even close to.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I see " Thorden EX Clear/Farm Party, No Noobs!!!" And I'm like "Really? This has only been out almost two weeks" and proceed to add said PL to my black list for unacceptable levels of elitisim.

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Dude, I saw several Shiva EX "no noob" parties on the same day 2.4 dropped. I just don't know anymore.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

Same here. Kinda obvious.

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No, it's not so obvious. That's why I've created this topic. Everyone has their own opinions what 'clear' means.

http://i.imgur.com/bpiQiUO.png

And another 'clear party' without law bonus:
http://i.imgur.com/yTxuFsv.png