3.1 PLD changes look good

mercy stroke

basically i use 1 swipe so as not to clip goring when doing goring-roh-ra rotation. now, i have 1 gcd to waste and i don't like dead air.

also, that 10 tp savings from goring is just transferred to fracture, if ever. so it's like using fast blade but with extra 70 pot on top of it instead of doing 2 fast blades before proceeding to riot blade to refresh goring blade

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Not sure if that would be a DPS increase but uh

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If we look at a full RoH - GB - RA rotation, we end up with a total potency of 1900 for 9 GCD (Not counting the DoT potency, since it's "GCD Free") for an average potency of 211.
So, technically, any GCD used with an overall potency higher than 211 would be a DPS increase, as long as Goring Blade doesn't fall.

Yes. And with a properly timed FoF, we can fit in 2 fractures as well as 2 GBs

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If we look at a full RoH - GB - RA rotation, we end up with a total potency of 1900 for 9 GCD (Not counting the DoT potency, since it's "GCD Free") for an average potency of 211.
So, technically, any GCD used with an overall potency higher than 211 would be a DPS increase, as long as Goring Blade doesn't fall.

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Why would you ignore the DoT potency on goring for that average, but include it in the average on Fracture? Even if you do that, aren't you only gaining 90p over a 3-minute period? And you'll be TP starved way before that 3-minute mark unless there's lots of downtime or someone using paeon or giving you a goad. And that's also assuming you always RoH - GB - GA. That seems like way more halone than necessary. Any time you actually do GB - RA - RA (since we're presumably talking about groups of 9 GCDs and not just an opener), you'd just be using fracture for the same average potency and more TP spent. That's if you're still ignoring GB's DoT but not Fracture's.

Feel free to correct me. Not good wif da maths.

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Originally Posted by ricklessabandon

Honestly this is the first time I've they've missed their mark entirely with a change.

I play with several tanks that primarily want to play PLD and feel they can't and that S-E isn't really in a rush to resolve that (or even validate the feeling). After seeing the 3.1 changes I'm legitimately worried that the trust burned here may cause them to churn. It's unfortunate, and was avoidable.

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Bold: Really? you think that AST hasn't been SE fumbling and tripping over itself? SE has messed up before, just not on a job that is super popular like PLD. PLD is off by an insignificant fraction that is highlighted by number chasers that don't like that PLD can't win the pissing contest against either DRK or WAR. AST on the other hand is 2/3rds of a job at best.


Trust wasn't burned here, SE said we are going to give PLD small upgrades but they aren't going to make it the same job as every other tank. They take our feedback seriously, but it's still their game and they can design jobs however they want at the end of the day. The only thing that got broken was people's expectations for PLD to come back into the status of being the dominant tank in the game. They've made it pretty clear the content will wax and wane each tank's usefulness. Once we hit the raids that have nothing but physical bruisers, you will be happy to have a PLD as a MT. With the changes they are making in 3.1, it should be easy for them to keep hate while still using higher DPS rotation.

The transparency of this game is miles ahead of almost any other online game.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If we look at a full RoH - GB - RA rotation, we end up with a total potency of 1900 for 9 GCD (Not counting the DoT potency, since it's "GCD Free") for an average potency of 211.
So, technically, any GCD used with an overall potency higher than 211 would be a DPS increase, as long as Goring Blade doesn't fall.

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You can't discount the potency of the dot of goring blade in your calculation because the whole reason you use it is because it has more effective potency than royal authority. Discounting it makes no sense because you have to use the skill to get the dot, it's not 'free'. Just looking at a normal royal authority combo, it's 230 potency per gcd so fracture is absolute trash.

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Originally Posted by ricklessabandon

I think a lot of the dissatisfaction is from the assessment that things aren't improved. Honestly this is the first time I've they've missed their mark entirely with a change. Not that I disagree with the mark, or would have liked more, that they aren't accomplishing the things they said they wanted to accomplish. This is confusing and frustrating, and is exacerbated by the fact that every PLD has their own personal grievances list and many of those long-standing sentiments went unaddressed when their job finally got changes.

I play with several tanks that primarily want to play PLD and feel they can't and that S-E isn't really in a rush to resolve that (or even validate the feeling). After seeing the 3.1 changes I'm legitimately worried that the trust burned here may cause them to churn. It's unfortunate, and was avoidable.

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Aren't you rito gomus.

And may i ask for suggestions on a good alt to fill 1 gcd? That's still 1 server tick put to waste and will add up if done repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by rawker

And may i ask for suggestions on a good alt to fill 1 gcd? That's still 1 server tick put to waste and will add up if done repeatedly.

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If you're really using RoH > GB > RA every time, fracture would be a tiny dps increase. You'll run out of TP faster, though, so it might be detrimental depending on the encounter. It's also a dps decrease any time you're replacing RoH combo with an extra RA combo unless my math is way off.

Using shield swipe to avoid clipping the one GB dot tick probably kept you from running out nearly as fast. Fracture is 40 more TP than shield swipe for 10 more potency.

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Originally Posted by rawker

now i am forced to cross fracture so as not to clip goring dot.

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Lol Clipping the DoT is more beneficial in every case compared to using Fracture. Don't be bad, do basic math. Fracture is barely worth it on WAR with a 30 second duration.

Why would you want to introduce a 220 potency move into any PLD rotation when PLDs potency rotation for even RoH>GB>RA is over 230 potency?

If you can afford it hate and mitigation-wise, you should just alternate between GB>RA>RA>GB>RA...indefinitely because that is higher potency then including RoH at all and costs less TP.