Has anyone actually managed to sell any of the AF2 gear?

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Originally Posted by Hanmerreborn

How are you making them? All self gathered, or are you supplementing with mats from the MB?

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Self-gathered. I was listing the favor mat sale prices as a reference point for the economy. I've personally had 4 Ooids sell for 1 mil each, but I'd say 250-500k is the norm.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

I can't imagine who would buy a ring for 10m. The material cost isnt anywhere close to that, at all.

Even with the favor materials as they are, 10m is way overpriced for a ring, as rings only take 1 material to craft. That effectively makes their price value only slightly above that of a single HQ material. (1.5~ orso over that)
So unless favor materials add up to being like 8-9m for one crafting material, rings shouldnt sell for 10m.

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Favor Mats: 250-500k each (5-10 mil based on price)
Leafborne: 500k NQ (1-1.5 mil HQ if you can find them)
Fieldcraft 3: Trivial
Varnish/Clusters: Trivial

If you purchase HQ sands and all the favor mats at their cheapest price you get 6 mil. Getting a 1.5 mil profit (I'm assuming that is what you mean by 1.5 over the material cost) on something this time consuming and high risk is absurd. An off hand would be approximately 3 times the value of the ring, or ~18 mil gil to craft. You may as well keep the item if you are going to sell it for a 2 mil profit.

behemoth:
1 tank body was sold at 7.5 (at loss ofc)
1 MIN offhand was sold at 10 the first weekend
3 crafter rings were sold at 8 (very early) and 10.5x2 (I suspect the buyer bought gil)
1 crafter belt was sold at 8, the buyer is a gillion crafter

thing are tanking:
1 BSM main
2 BTN NQ offhand
1 caster body
1 LTH offhand (since day 2 of 3.05)

I missed something but pretty much this is it. Except the 2 rings no one made profit. The liquidity is very bad both on supply and demand.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Self-gathered. I was listing the favor mat sale prices as a reference point for the economy. I've personally had 4 Ooids sell for 1 mil each, but I'd say 250-500k is the norm.



Favor Mats: 250-500k each (5-10 mil based on price)
Leafborne: 500k NQ (1-1.5 mil HQ if you can find them)
Fieldcraft 3: Trivial
Varnish/Clusters: Trivial

If you purchase HQ sands and all the favor mats at their cheapest price you get 6 mil. Getting a 1.5 mil profit (I'm assuming that is what you mean by 1.5 over the material cost) on something this time consuming and high risk is absurd. An off hand would be approximately 3 times the value of the ring, or ~18 mil gil to craft. You may as well keep the item if you are going to sell it for a 2 mil profit.

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In terms of millions, roughly 1.5m above material cost. Naturally that value depends on demand as well. But with the item being as little desirable as it is, and its risk relatively due to only requiring 1 of the gated materials, that's the most you can reasonably expect for the rings.


I would not take the value of the favor materials on the board at face value in determining the value of the materials (be they NQ or HQ) however.

A comparison: (on my server)
favor materials sell for 125-250k. Yet a set of 5 crafting materials sold for 3m, only after a week or two. There was still another set on the board for 2.5m, (im not sure if it went down to 2m yet) without being sold.

The main reason why favor materials can sell at a relatively higher price then the materials they are used to make is because they will be used to complete a [set of 10+10 materials]. Someone might be short say 1, 2 materials they need; but be out of favors to obtain those. In that case spending 500k on 2 materials does not seem that bad, since only 2 items are needed.


This last part is something very important it seems few people realise. It surprised me a great deal to see that most favor materials are listed in large (5~10) stacks, instead of 1's and 2's.


As such however, prices of refined materials should not be considered [20x favor material + crafting token fee].

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

An off hand would be approximately 3 times the value of the ring, or ~18 mil gil to craft. You may as well keep the item if you are going to sell it for a 2 mil profit.

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That is just taking into account the items cost to make, but not its actual stats value. The stats an offhand provides are far greater of a difference then 3x. Even if you take into account the fact the ring can be used by all classes.

10 million for a ring, even if the [server specific] material cost adds up to that, it does not seem like a price anyone with more sense then gil would pay.


Ofcourse favor item prices and such vary from server to server. But I'm very surprised to see there are servers where a month after red scrips implementation they would still sell for 250-500k each. Assuming these are prices where they are likely to sell at, ofcourse.


Honestly, it seems like some (or most, up for debate; as its only speculation either way) of those that bought the 2* items have earned their gil via less then honest ways. Atleast I did not recognise the name that bought the offhand at all.
In that case reports of rings selling for 10m would make a lot of sense.


Incidentally, I dont care about profit or making gil at all myself. So this isnt about that. It's just ludicrous that people insist the markets are fine, when they clearly arent. The fact that one month later we are still talking about prices of 100's of K's for materials that are needed in the dozens, or millions and 1-2 dozen millions for finished items should make that pretty obvious.

If not, then the fact that likely wont find any items with more then 1 entry (in HQ) being sold at the time (if even that), will.

On Leviathan right now, I just went and did a search on all of the 60 2-star items. Things up for sale? All up and down... zero. Items sold? I think 3 astral birch rings have sold. That's it. The market is pretty much dead. Sure, I might be gearing out my crafters such that the risk of NQ is sufficiently low that I can buy up all the NQ adamantite ingots, silks, etc (save myself the usage of red scrips)... but no buyers. Hell, the 2-star body pieces are the same graphic as the 1-star ones... And even if they WERE different... you'll be hardpressed to find players willing to spend upwards of 20M on a piece for glamour.

Honestly, the only 2-star worth selling is going to be the DoW/M gear, since crafters are more likely to make their own (i'm in agreement with many other posters. You make your own gear). However, the DoW/M gear is pretty much useless due to the low iLvl.

Think back to previous patches:
2.0: crafted was i70, myth/allagan was i90
2.2(?): crafted was i90, soldiery was i100, upgraded soldiery/coil was i110
2.4: crafted was i110, poetics was i120, upgrades poetics/coil was i130
3.0: crafted is i180, esoterics is i200, upgraded/savage is i210

That's the disparity. 30 iLvl instead of 20. 30 iLvl is a lot to overcome w/ materia to make it even CLOSE to the competition. And let's not even get into how Tier V materia is so ridiculously hard to come by.

I don't know. Even if they did change favors to come from blue instead of red. I don't think that would help any. As it stands right now, I can't go through my weekly red tokens on my gatherers. 15min x 45 = 11.25 hours. That's sick. And at the rate that I see favor mats from nodes, that equates to about 112 favor mats, which is enough for ~5.5 subcomponents. That's another disparity. Even if you spend ALL of your weekly red gather scrips, you simply cannot spend your red crafter scrips w/o buying up favor mats from other people. And many of those people aren't spending red scrips on favor mats since their gather gear upgrades are not craftable...

Can I take out a galleymaster's frypan and hit the devs over the head to wake them up? /rantoff

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

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I understand your logic in selling favor materials in 1s and 2s, but there are multiple crafters on my server that don't gather their own materials and rely entirely on the market board for getting these items. I'm too lazy to link a history page, but I'd say 250K the favor materials are purchased almost instantly and 500k is the norm. I've seen them sell for more than 500k but generally in 1s and 2s for filling out a ten stack as you suggested. I also find that people will buy the Roundstone or botanist equivalents becaues those tend to sell for about 1-1.5 mil and you only need 3.

At first I thought this would be temporary because not enough people reached the point of getting these, but the real glaring issue is people can't be bothered to sink this much time in farming these materials when the DoW/DoM gear was irrelevant the moment 3.05 dropped and all the crafted DoH gear is currently unnecessary.

I'm not implying that the markets are fine, on the contrary I think the economy in FFXIV has always been abysmal compared to WoW/Rift. Sad thing is that even if the crafted combat gear were best in slot only gil buyers and the crafters that could make it themselves would be able to afford it, which is ironic considering SEs stance on RMT.

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Originally Posted by Rath

The big thing is to not change your price, as soon as anyone sees you drop your price they wait to see how far you will drop it, undercutting yourself is just as bad as someone else doing it. This is just what I see on my server when listing items that are scarce.

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Thanks for the advice. I wasn't sure if what I had them up there for was too expensive and didn't want to give competition a chance to undercut me. At this point I don't really foresee anyone putting one up there, nor do I really care given the overall relevance of crafting as a whole in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

I understand your logic in selling favor materials in 1s and 2s, but there are multiple crafters on my server that don't gather their own materials and rely entirely on the market board for getting these items.

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This is the same on my server. Quite a few different crafters are buying favor mats. Stack size doesn't seem to matter much on Coeurl though.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...5464d452db.png
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http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...f826a95fb7.png
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Now as this is a thread about who has managed to sell these items, people's sales history is relevant. It does not mean we agree the economy is fine and that we do not want changes. It just means that despite how tedious gathering the favor items is, they and the finished goods are selling in varying degrees of success from server to server. Now as to who is buying them? I did not recognize the crafters that bought my rings, but I do know the FC they are in. I do know most of the crafters buying the mats though, as they are mostly my competition since 2.0

I think these screenshots speak volumes. Since Aug 1 a total of 140 of the ooid-type favor mats have sold on your server. That means that only 14 subcomponents' worth of mats have exchanged hands from one player to another. Over 22 days. That's not the sign of a healthy market.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I think these screenshots speak volumes. Since Aug 1 a total of 140 of the ooid-type favor mats have sold on your server. That means that only 14 subcomponents' worth of mats have exchanged hands from one player to another. Over 22 days. That's not the sign of a healthy market.

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The market for these items is not good, but those are 4 ss of the first 4 items I checked. I did not check them all. There are, from what I have seen and bought myself, at least as many being moved via pf as well. I expect most gatherers are just sitting on tokens waiting to see what changes they make. I myself have not bothered farming them after initially trying them out.

Just for reference, this is from my beta alts server. HQ rings are on the MB on this server for under 3mil.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...2aa0f65696.png

Sold *1* Gather ring, watching a miner offhand sit for weeks. Ring sold @ 2.5 Mil

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Originally Posted by Rath

The market for these items is not good, but those are 4 ss of the first 4 items I checked. I did not check them all. There are, from what I have seen and bought myself, at least as many being moved via pf as well. I expect most gatherers are just sitting on tokens waiting to see what changes they make. I myself have not bothered farming them after initially trying them out.

Just for reference, this is from my beta alts server. HQ rings are on the MB on this server for under 3mil.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...2aa0f65696.png

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our server has ooids at 150k to 250k each and roundstones cheaper; while the BTNx10 are more expensive, and the x3's cheaper; a screwed market