Skills/spells you see no reason to use since you got to 60?

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

Feint I could maybe see (even then you are losing dps to use it), one ilm punch has been declared useless in pvp and pve it keeps you away from GL stacks and at best removes protect. I mean SMN, BLM, NIN, and WHM are true thou.

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One ilm punch can remove aether flow stacks. Please tell me how that's useless...

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.

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Well, I know that you probably don't care but I just have to give fellow bard some advices, don't take it as an insult, just trying to help.

There is not any macro that is kinda useful for BRD. It always lowers your performance, it is better not to blow away all buffs at once, which buff macro usually does.
It is better to start with quelling strikes + hawks eye + raging strikes > bloodletter + straightshot > blood for blood + internal release + windbite > potion + venomous bite > Barrage + Empyreal + Sidewinder and so on and so on (praise the BRD lordKrietor, master of arrows) and then use buffs when they are ready (using blood for blood,raging strikes and barrage at the same time with empyreal).
If you are using any other macros on BRD I would suggest letting them go, it is kinda hard at the beginning but when you get used to it you will be epic.

Also.. barrage and hawks eye were enormously useful even pre-Heavensward. Especially barrage meant huge DPS buff as our auto-attack was already about 20% of our damage.

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

What, hawk's eye didn't change, so if it was useless before it would be useless now, and it was never useless, it increased dexterity by 15%, which increased your damage, and barrage increased auto-attack rate, which was also a good ability

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Exactly, they were never useless. :)

To the topic: Even that I use Wanderers Paen for our WAR in savage at the start of fight, I believe the skill is useless except that and it would be 10 times better if it was instacast. It is just too weak to cost us 3 seconds.

It's been a while since the last time I played monk in PvP, but OIM used to remove AF stacks, tank CDs and other types of buffs (Like Berserk from a WAR to instantly pacify him). Not useless at all.


PS: Yeah, let's keep this PvE only.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

One ilm punch can remove aether flow stacks. Please tell me how that's useless...

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If you want to spam cast it three times and lose all your gl stacks sure go for it. Going to need to go through all the other buffs first (protect, SS, any sch shields, EfE, etc.) If they only have aether flow stacks then it would be worth it to use it, but that is very unoften. The pacify seems cool thou, was thinking more along the lines of 4v4 where people have a lot of buffs up fast and trying to get that one buff off tends to be a waste of your dps (for a normal player if you catch them as they use it then you just get net gain).

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

If you want to spam cast it three times and lose all your gl stacks sure go for it. Going to need to go through all the other buffs first (protect, SS, any sch shields, EfE, etc.) If they only have aether flow stacks then it would be worth it to use it, but that is very unoften.

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How would you spam it without perfect balance? It has a form requirement to use, and then you might as well demolish to get another stack after and throw a dot on. Even if aether flow doesn't get taken off, you still remove a buff that could have saved them.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

How would you spam it without perfect balance? It has a form requirement to use, and then you might as well demolish to get another stack after and throw a dot on

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shows how long it was on my cast bar.. lol better than i thought for pvp, still kinda meh unless you get to raptor thou, want to play some wolf's den to mess with it... tooo bad the ques don't let me figure stuff out and play any pvp but clusterzerg (where more dps is better than maybe hitting something off). But that is a different grip than useless skills.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

To the topic: Even that I use Wanderers Paen for our WAR in savage at the start of fight, I believe the skill is useless except that and it would be 10 times better if it was instacast. It is just too weak to cost us 3 seconds.

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Ugh, should tell that to my warrior...
We argued that it's a DPS loss if I use it mid battle...nope...considers that I'm "transferring my DPS to him" since he's not getting pacified.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

How would you spam it without perfect balance? It has a form requirement to use, and then you might as well demolish to get another stack after and throw a dot on. Even if aether flow doesn't get taken off, you still remove a buff that could have saved them.

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If you get 7+ swings on a summoner and he's still alive I doubt you would be saying "hell yeah, I took off all his aetherflow stacks"

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

Ugh, should tell that to my warrior...
We argued that it's a DPS loss if I use it mid battle...nope...considers that I'm "transferring my DPS to him" since he's not getting pacified.

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I would slap him. WARs need a strong hand that puts them in their place.
I also slap healers if they die or overuse they mana. I am strict bard. :D

I wouldn't let people run out of mana but when someone dies > healer has to ress for lalafelload of mana, it's slap time. :D

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.

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Barrage was SOOOOOOO much better before HW changed it.. and the only reason they changed it was because WM got rid of auto attacks.

if you think the previous incarnation sucked you were insane.