Fellow WHMs: Hive Cane or Eso?

Remember now SS increases the healing potency of DOT and above all HOT. If you're still using Regen frequently, and considering you will often need Medica 2, it should be interesting.

Still need more maths about all the stats anyway before going crazy about which stat to choose.

Btw, with the new lvl cap (60) they "reseted" the stat weight. When you had 600+ SS, the GCD/cast spell was around 2,25s/1,75s. Now with the same stat, it's like 2,46sGCD/1,93s cast spell. That's the same with Det, Crit and Pie. Meaning we'll need to add like 300 or 400 stat point into them to actually see any noticeable difference, approximatively the same difference we finally had when we got ilvl130.

For now, no matter your gear choice it will make 0 difference, it's like if we went to ilvl70 obscure light gear when the game launched. No need to go crazy with the stats! Better take the weapon even if it's not necessary, just for the WD that will always be meaningful!

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Originally Posted by Kelya

Remember now SS increases the healing potency of DOT and above all HOT. If you're still using Regen frequently, and considering you will often need Medica 2, it should be interesting.

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DOT = Damage over time, HOT = Heal over time.

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Originally Posted by Kelya

For now, no matter your gear choice it will make 0 difference, it's like if we went to ilvl70 obscure light gear when the game launched. No need to go crazy with the stats! Better take the weapon even if it's not necessary, just for the WD that will always be meaningful!

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This is slightly untrue, with the lower influence of secondary stats like DET / CRIT / SS, PIE then becomes the better choice as its value has remained constant, while the others will slowly become better with more WD and IL.

You should never forgo an ilvl upgrade because of offstats.

I believe the math guys worked it out that for ranged and healers going for chest/legs + hands/boots is actually a better boost for about the same amount of esoterics

ultimately the differences should be minimal but it should be at least a little reassuring to those uneasy about losing 80+ of a desirable stat from a hive weapon that buying a couple armor pieces is a bigger boost and you can pick pieces that are statistically desirable too

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Originally Posted by Nihility

I believe the math guys worked it out that for ranged and healers going for chest/legs + hands/boots is actually a better boost for about the same amount of esoterics

ultimately the differences should be minimal but it should be at least a little reassuring to those uneasy about losing 80+ of a desirable stat from a hive weapon that buying a couple armor pieces is a bigger boost and you can pick pieces that are statistically desirable too

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Can we get a source?

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Originally Posted by Litner

Can we get a source?

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Seconded. weapon damage is an extremely weighted stat so I'd want to see actual numbers to go with this claim.

'Ranged and healers' is an interesting group, at that. Why them, and why not tanks, casters or melee?

Also, 990 (weapon) vs 1'320 (major+minor armour) is not a similar amount of esoterics. You could almost get an accessory with the weapon with that many Esoterics, giving a major and minor armour piece only the advantage of being purchasable within three weeks, rather than four. :p

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Originally Posted by Raminax

'Ranged and healers' is an interesting group, at that. Why them, and why not tanks, casters or melee?

Also, 990 (weapon) vs 1'320 (major+minor armour) is not a similar amount of esoterics. You could almost get an accessory with the weapon with that many Esoterics, giving a major and minor armour piece only the advantage of being purchasable within three weeks, rather than four. :p

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I suspect it's people putting too much weight on offstats. I'm not sure on the heavensward stat weights but unless the ratios have changed, weapon would probably be worth it even at the old cost of 1300 tomes.

More than likely! People are also likely equating 'not optimal' to being worthless, which is a foolish thing to do. Sure, critical hit rating might not be the best secondary to shoot for as a White Mage, but that doesn't make its value nil. You're not going from, say, an imaginary secondary stat value of 100 to 0 by switching Det/SS to Crit/Pie. More like 100 to possibly 50, in raw throughput terms. :p

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Originally Posted by Raminax

You're not going from, say, an imaginary secondary stat value of 100 to 0 by switching Det/SS to Crit/Pie. More like 100 to possibly 50, in raw throughput terms. :p

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But then the main stat boost leaves you at a net of 200 or more, and the weapon atk rating bumps it up to 600 xP

...Not even that much of an exaggeration. If you could get +3 weapon atk, that's worth 21~24 MND, which is worth a metric sh**-ton of det/ss/crit. The only thing is I haven't seen any data on how this plays out in heavensward but I would be really surprised if atk isn't still king and main stat still far, far above secondaries.

In any case, I'm banking on weapon unless data comes out that shows it's changed.