Straight to the duty finder.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

I want more content where people have to meet at the entrance instead of "start it wherever you are".

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Well in that respect it is better then a lot of games where you at least once get to the entrance to unlock it.
Ask an average mmo'er where their dungeons are located and you get a question mark as reply, a zone at best :p

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Originally Posted by Erim-Nelhah

I would like this too, but there are a couple of things to consider here:

Server/World firsts:
I know that SE doesn't acknowledge these, but they do exist, and provide a bit of bragging rights for the people that accomplish them. Making all content DF'able from day 1 takes away from this (theoretically, DF could get datacenter or world firsts)

Minimum ilvl requirements:
This is the doozy. All DF'able content must have a minimum ilvl requirement. This is usually not the absolute minimum ilvl required for completion, but rather a minimum reasonable ilvl. This means that groups would be required to get better gear than they might otherwise need to complete the duties. Right now, this seems easy enough (160 for Bis EX, 170 for Rav EX and Alex N - easy to get from unlimited resources), but what about Alex S? What ilvl requirement would you put on Alex S? 180? 190? No matter where it gets put, it's going to be either too low or too high for some people, and apparently the restriction can't currently be lifted for preformed parties.

The solution? Well, currently SE seems to want to make DF'ers wait (nearly) until the next tier of content comes out before being able to run content in DF. Instead, put the content in DF after 1-2 weeks, and advertise the recommended minimum ilvl (which will become the DF requirement later) on release. This gives statics enough time to get their ilvls up to that level before the content hits the DF, and also plenty of time to get their "firsts" if they're after them.

--Erim Nelhah

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you make good valid point's, I can see the Problem with Savage and even T6-9 when they were first released. maybe the answer is not to put all content right to the duty finder but maybe to get the balance a little better, limitless blue and thok ast thok ex are not that difficult, the fights as they are could easily be downed by duty finder groups once they get a little practice. maybe SE should just keep the most Hardcore content like Savage's for elite player's / raider's and give the more casual a challenge as well by allowing the hardest versions of the primal to go right to the duty finder untarnished / nerfed, i personally hate echoes and nerfed fights i would rather the challenge stay the same for the duty finder's.

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Originally Posted by Virgal

Square Enix please put content Straight to the duty finder, i don't understand why its necessary to keep content away from the duty finder for a period of time all it is doing is making a poisonous environment / breeding ground for so called elitists to exclude others.

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You are keeping yourself away from the content, not being in DF. You do know there is a Party Finder where you can create a party for running content you can't queue solo for? Also it incentivizes you to party with players on your own server, you might even make friends to add to your friendslist to do more runs and other content that is non solo queable in the future.

Even if they put the Hardcore content into Duty Finder straight away, you're not gonna clear it with pugs. Trust me. The furthest you would get to "practicing" too would be probably the firdt few phases, if even that. The median skill is so low, that without massive echo/gear nerfs everything on df feels like a massive waste of time. :D

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Originally Posted by Virgal

Personally I just don't see the harm, if some groups clear it in df that's awesome, if others don't that's to bad, but i would like the option. and people complain no matter what, I'm not here to complain i am here to suggest. hopefully square enix considers the request.

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Thing is, I actually do agree with you here OP, I was just getting the reasoning out there as to why they do not do this with the toughest content in the game. The way I see it, people will always complain about something, and maybe only 1% of DF groups manage to actually clear it (In Japan of course), but I don't see anything wrong with more options. Is it a wise decision to go into Savage with the DF? Most likely not, but hey, if a static is missing one or two members and they want to trust it then that's on them.

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Originally Posted by Virgal

you make good valid point's, I can see the Problem with Savage and even T6-9 when they were first released. maybe the answer is not to put all content right to the duty finder but maybe to get the balance a little better, limitless blue and thok ast thok ex are not that difficult, the fights as they are could easily be downed by
duty finder groups once they get a little practice. maybe SE should just keep the most Hardcore content like Savage's for elite player's / raider's and give the more casual a challenge as well by allowing the hardest versions of the primal to go right to the duty finder untarnished / nerfed, i personally hate echoes and nerfed fights i would rather the challenge stay the same for the duty finder's.

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The problem is that what is challenging for static/fc's is impossible for a random pug.
There is a reason that it doesn't get added into df before echo/nerfs. More then half of the people would not be able to clear it and instead whine on the forums how duty finder content, which is supposed to be puggable suddenly aint anymore.

Then SE got the choice of:
- Nerf the content
- create an LFR esque difficulty where only the bare minimum effort is required to clear the content, at the expense of worse loot of course.
- Go back to how it is now.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

You are keeping yourself away from the content, not being in DF. You do know there is a Party Finder where you can create a party for running content you can't queue solo for? Also it incentivizes you to party with players on your own server, you might even make friends to add to your friendslist to do more runs and other content that is non solo queable in the future.

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I do a lot of PF with friends and server, unfortunately the majority on my server don't speak English, this is not a big problem for me because i play with Japanese people fairly often but a lot of my friends are finding it exceedingly difficult to get groups in the PF and are thinking about leaving the game, obviosly i don't want this becuse i really enjoy playing the game with my real life friends as well as other people. i made the request with them in mind.

I'd rather they didn't as people would only come on here asking for it to be nerfed constantly because they can't roll their face on the keyboard and one shot content.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

You are keeping yourself away from the content, not being in DF. You do know there is a Party Finder where you can create a party for running content you can't queue solo for? Also it incentivizes you to party with players on your own server, you might even make friends to add to your friendslist to do more runs and other content that is non solo queable in the future.

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I am not sure about your server, but I have a 5x better chance of clearing something via DF than PF

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Originally Posted by NovaWulfe

Thing is, I actually do agree with you here OP, I was just getting the reasoning out there as to why they do not do this with the toughest content in the game. The way I see it, people will always complain about something, and maybe only 1% of DF groups manage to actually clear it (In Japan of course), but I don't see anything wrong with more options. Is it a wise decision to go into Savage with the DF? Most likely not, but hey, if a static is missing one or two members and they want to trust it then that's on them.

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Totally agree with you.