Kind of wishing Bards had kept Healer LB.

This is one of these few situations that it'd be great if we sorted out having Personal LBs and then a Party-wide Greater LBs. Bards function as a DPS on a personal level but that always goes to the sidelines in favor for team-wide support. So it'd make perfect sense to give them a Personal LB that deals damage and their Greater LB could still utilize the healer's.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

I find that If the way you treat other people is motivated chiefly by efficiency than you will never be happy and neither will be people around you. Different people have different ways of playing, different ways of thinking, and differing levels of ability, but always, without fail, no one is perfect. Life goes more smoothly by overlooking the little things than it does by getting the limit breaks just right.

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I don't think life lessons and overthinking are necessary here.

I just want bards and machinists to realize they're holding up the group that much more when they waste LB, that's all. :)

No need to get too deep or analyze the purpose of our lives and paths to happiness over this, it's just a game.

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

How many melee have I seen sit on the LB2/3 until they think its going to be enough to kill the boss (or just plain ignored that it exists) when they could have used it at any safe point before then rather than use it and complain they died because they were animation locked (and trust me you get those parties every once in a while where you probably could get 2+ LB's off)... Anyone can misuse the LB doesnt make it right but making it seem like you feel this is a bard or machinist issue isnt going to change the fact your going to occasionally get one of THOSE players regardless of class or LB type so brush it off and move on

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Bards LBing wrong wasn't such a big issue until they were given a damage LB. If you're going to LB as a bard, do it right please. And give melees a chance to do it right.

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

The only time this would be an issue at all would be in a random unorganized pug, where the content is typically so easy that what role uses their LB doesn't even matter anyways. Why is it an issue? The old bard LB was useless 99% of the time anyways, at least this one can be put to use in an organized group.

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In an organized group, a bard still won't typically LB. Melee LB will still be typically used.

And it may not matter that much, but used right, LB can still shave time off a dungeon run for everyone. If a bard LBs a boss rather than a melee, everyone is going to spend that much more time there for no reason.

Unlike rotations and dps, which some people are better at than others, LB is one button. Knowing who should press it is not too much to ask of players I would hope...

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Originally Posted by Adire

Bards LBing wrong wasn't such a big issue until they were given a damage LB. If you're going to LB as a bard, do it right please. And give melees a chance to do it right.

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have you never been in a primal when both heals went down, brd was still alive with that last hope of rez limit break and a DRG or MNK believes they can save the day with an almighty single target LB3 praying just this once it diminishes 40% of bosses hp? people love that shiny button. nothing new here

What SE needs to do is add different Limit breaks you can set and give people a choice.

If bard wants to use a healing LB or a Damage LB put it on.

its good to have a choice. Though this might happen a little later down the road maybe.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

have you never been in a primal when both heals went down, brd was still alive with that last hope of rez limit break and a DRG or MNK believes they can save the day with an almighty single target LB3 praying just this once it diminishes 40% of bosses hp? people love that shiny button. nothing new here

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I don't recall condoning wrongful usage of LB by anyone? Please quote me if I'm recalling incorrectly :)

I actually support Bard having healer LB if that wasn't already evident from my title...

Instead of that, we now have more damage that can be wrongfully used.

Edit: And if you want to play this game, I can name some times when I've seen Bards and healers down and melee LB did save the day.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I don't recall condoning wrongful usage of LB by anyone?

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except you are pointing out brd/mch directly when this is not new. been done by all roles in not so efficient manners. in the end it does not really matter nor is it game breaking. i ran copperbell normal as drg many times LBing the spriggan @ the 2nd boss encounter because it doesnt break the game nor lose the fight

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

except you are pointing out brd/mch directly when this is not new. been done by all roles in not so efficient manners. in the end it does not really matter nor is it game breaking. i ran copperbell normal as drg many times LBing the spriggan @ the 2nd boss encounter because it doesnt break the game nor lose the fight

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Bards doing it is new....lol.

They couldn't do it before, now they can and often do. What's so hard about that to understand?

And I have to say, again, may be personal experience. But I've seen far more striking instances of Bards and Machinists misusing LB lately than melees or casters doing it :P

I actually don't ever think I've seen a caster wait until after adds are dead before LBing, it's usually when there are no adds in the first place or when there are adds. And usually even then they let melees do it. Can't say the same for bards and machinists though!


Oh and uhhh...lbing that spriggan that dies in like 2 hits. That says a lot....

Hint: You're better off lbing the trash right before or after.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Bards doing it is new....lol.

They couldn't do it before, now they can and often do. What's so hard about that to understand?

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so because a class which now has a different use for ur glorified damage button uses it just because; its forum worthy?
mind you other than my copperbell spriggans which were usually done premade or 3/4 premade and for the sake of having fun, im all for efficiency. but its just spilt milk. it happens. its always happened. it wont always be the case. sometimes you get to have your glory, sometimes people want you to share that bright yellow bar.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

so because a class which now has a different use for ur glorified damage button uses it just because; its forum worthy?
mind you other than my copperbell spriggans which were usually done premade or 3/4 premade and for the sake of having fun, im all for efficiency. but its just spilt milk. it happens. its always happened. it wont always be the case. sometimes you get to have your glory, sometimes people want you to share that bright yellow bar.

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Have you seen some of the threads on the forums?

I think my legitimate complaint about something trending in the community is pretty forum worthy compared to some of this stuff. Even not compared to some of it, seeing as this is community general discussion after all :)

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I don't recall condoning wrongful usage of LB by anyone? Please quote me if I'm recalling incorrectly :)

I actually support Bard having healer LB if that wasn't already evident from my title...

Instead of that, we now have more damage that can be wrongfully used.

Edit: And if you want to play this game, I can name some times when I've seen Bards and healers down and melee LB did save the day.

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The Healer LB3 was fine for BRDs in Full Group content. It was a pain in light group content though when you ended up paired with another BRD and now with a MCH. In all the time I played I've only ever seen the BRD healing LB3 used once and it was still a wipe. Its almost useless.

As for the current situation and potential wasted LB3s I still see it happen all the time by all groups. I had a tank pop it during a dungeon fight two days ago. Its hardly like BRDS are uniquely abusing it. Plus its still not a complete waste when they do use it on a boss even if it is poorly timed. Your talking about wasted time but at most your talking about 1 to 2 minutes difference.

Give BRDs and MCH a break. They already have enough limits placed on them for being 'support'. Personally if they really want BRD and MCH to be real support I'd prefer them to actually develop that aspect of the class into something beyond being Mana and TP recharge stations. Other DPS get much more interesting support utility skills.