Lemme get this straight on Alexander loot system

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Originally Posted by CodeCass

I've been reading the posts on here all morning, and even the patch notes, and the system still seems a tad confusing to me; but that may be because it's still new and there's a lot of conflicting information out there. Seems to be one of those things where you have to run it before it's easy to understand really. Looking forward to giving it a try eventually though!

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It's been convoluted all morning because a lot of people read the patch notes and decided it was time to throw a fit so they raced to the forums to complain about a loot system they don't understand without thinking of any merits that this system has.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

The only difficult fight is the last one.

The aggravation with obtaining the gear comes in when you have to roll against 7 other people.

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So essentially like every other 8-man content in the game? Haha. I get what you're saying though, and can see where that would get people riled up.

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Originally Posted by Dement

It's been convoluted all morning because a lot of people read the patch notes and decided it was time to throw a fit so they raced to the forums to complain about a loot system they don't understand without thinking of any merits that this system has. Similar to this thread. It's actually pretty simple and more information from calmer minds is coming out slowly.

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Very good points. I've already learned more in the last 10 minutes than I have all morning thanks to folks calmly explaining it who have given it a try!

Little bummed with this system. You are still rolling against 7 other people. Was expecting to just get my token completing the duty. What I was thinking going in is you have a chance to roll on gear and if you don't get it you get a token instead. Then once you get a ton of tokens you can get that gear you wanted if you were unlucky so many times because you roll 13 every single time... *sigh* So now I am just rolling 13 on tokens now. :(

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Originally Posted by Skindef

Little bummed with this system. You are still rolling against 7 other people. Was expecting to just get my token completing the duty. What I was thinking going in is you have a chance to roll on gear and if you don't get it you get a token instead. Then once you get a ton of tokens you can get that gear you wanted if you were unlucky so many times because you roll 13 every single time... *sigh* So now I am just rolling 13 on tokens now. :(

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You could always farm it (doesn't require a static), and then you're always rolling against less and less people.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

You could always farm it (doesn't require a static), and then you're always rolling against less and less people.

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Till people start getting what they want and then leaving, then replacements are continuously found which you'll also be rolling against.

Or the group falls apart.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

Till people start getting what they want and then leaving, then replacements are continuously found which you'll also be rolling against.

Or the group falls apart.

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So bad groups. Bad groups are gonna cause problems no matter how loot is designed.

First try the Loot System, then complain...

In 5 weeks you can have a class with a full seat with all accesories, you only need 13 tokens and each floor drop 2 tokens (you can only get one). They even add what kind of token you need in order to get an item so you can plan ahead what you are going to need.

Its far better than..."Oh crap another healing ring, I want my tank chest".

Also remember we now have Lootmaster rule, so if you have an statics just plan what to get and use /roll.

If you use duty finder, just get along and find new people... maybe you will form a linkshell with those guys and help each other.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

4) Shaft, Crank, Spring, Gobwalker Shielding, and I believe a small chance at getting an actual gear piece to drop.

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Actually scratch that part, I don't think any of the floors can actually drop a piece of gear.

The 4th floor can however drop a material called Gordian Gear.

Thanks for all of the information! Definitely clearing things up a bit.

However:
1) Why does everyone keep saying you have to run 8 times for each person to get a token? If each run drops 2 tokens, shouldn't everyone receive at least 1 token after 4 runs? (assuming each person was ok with whatever token drops).

2) Isn't the possibility of really bad luck still out there? If 2 types of tokens drop per run out of a possible 3 tokens... isn't there still a small chance that someone could theoretically run x amount of times without a specific type of token dropping (i.e. hands)... right?

I think it's a vast improvement from 2.x days, but I guess I will have to try it out... still have nightmares going 4 months with 3 total drops across my three primary jobs (WAR/BLM/WHM) in BCOB back in the day...