"Healer DPS is not taken into account" for raids

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They sum up the basic DPS for four DPS and tanks at that assumed item level and cut that by about 10-15% for the minimum clear DPS. Healer DPS is not taken into account when this is set.

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Hehe, from the looks of it though, they sum up nearly the "best" dps (not basic) the four DPS + tank could do in order to tune endgame.

So yeah I guess that it really only applies to Endgame while under geared that you would need any healer assisted DPS. ;p

Imagine being able to play at that level of skill though to always reach max capacity of your Job DPS.

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Like, look at the elite endgame teams who were in penta melded i110 crafted gear and i90 accessories for HP, using Pots and Healer DPS, with the most ideal party setups and just sqeeking by on their T13 wins before enrage.

Aside from meeting accuracy caps, and losing some primary stats on the i90 accessories, the melded i110 crafted (body) are nearly i130 pieces in some cases.

So probably bringing the equivalent ilvl to ~i120

I'm assuming T13 was tuned around i123 gear (DF limit)

So that means you should be able to manage it well in i115 (normal, non-crafted) gear, without pots and no healer DPS?!?!?!

Go home Yoshi P, you're drunk.

(Goes to watch videos of i110 T13 kill vids)

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

So that means you should be able to manage it well in i115 (normal, non-crafted) gear, without pots and no healer DPS?!?!?!

Go home Yoshi P, you're drunk.

(Goes to watch videos of i110 T13 kill vids)

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It's also more than possible to clear t5 and t9 below the ilvl limits the DF sets for them.

Keep in mind that their design ilvl and the DF ilvl are not necessarily the same. The DF ilvl requirement assumes a group may be pugging it (rather than a preformed static thing). And then there's also that exceptional players can exceed dev expectations. They don't tune the fights for Blue Gartr and Lucrezia, etc.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Hehe, from the looks of it though, they sum up nearly the "best" dps (not basic) the four DPS + tank could do in order to tune endgame.

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No, it says they take that tank and dps number and adjust by 10-15%. That should be plenty of wiggle room for a bit of gear discrepancy, or not keeping up exact perfect dps, and still be doable but challenging.

Not that I really care, since it is unlikely I will ever be in that kind of raid :/ scheduling simply will not allow.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Hehe, from the looks of it though, they sum up nearly the "best" dps (not basic) the four DPS + tank could do in order to tune endgame.

So yeah I guess that it really only applies to Endgame while under geared that you would need any healer assisted DPS. ;p

Imagine being able to play at that level of skill though to always reach max capacity of your Job DPS.

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Like, look at the elite endgame teams who were in penta melded i110 crafted gear and i90 accessories for HP, using Pots and Healer DPS, with the most ideal party setups and just sqeeking by on their T13 wins before enrage.

Aside from meeting accuracy caps, and losing some primary stats on the i90 accessories, the melded i110 crafted (body) are nearly i130 pieces in some cases.

So probably bringing the equivalent ilvl to ~i120

I'm assuming T13 was tuned around i123 gear (DF limit)

So that means you should be able to manage it well in i115 (normal, non-crafted) gear, without pots and no healer DPS?!?!?!

Go home Yoshi P, you're drunk.

(Goes to watch videos of i110 T13 kill vids)

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I see your point but some small nitpicks:

MNK MNK, the world first comps, is quite unideal. It was ideal at the time due to time constraints, but if you wanna talk about what they tuned it for, it was probably NIN MNK rather than MNK MNK.

No one knew of Cover week 1 for ES. That singlehandedly is between 1-2%. Testing might have taken that into consideration since it's clearly an intended workaround.

Lots of missing potential healer/tank DPS to go beyond the bounds of what groups did week 1, even in that gear. That comes from having that turn on farm for more than 7 months though and knowing every cleave and AA to the T.

My beef with this is that I'm stuck with players who honestly believe healer DPS was calculated into raids, and that the devs made a mistake removing accuracy from all their gear, all while trying to push their stupid crap on others. So I and many other get stuck with even more useless healers who don't know the first thing about making it easier on themselves. Just the constant teetering at the edge of failure for the sole sake of dealing all the damage possible.

And I don't find that attacking at all is a bad thing. There's a lot wrong with WHY you did it than just doing it. . .. until you fail to keep players alive at which case yes there is a lot wrong with that too.

I doubt that any world first group, for instance, is using healer DPS as a crutch "for poor DPS". It's to clear with that much less gear.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Not to mention lustrate and fairy heals are unafected by cleric stance ^^

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Lustrate is affected. It's no longer a HP percentage, which now means WAR's Defiance no longer buffs it, either. Whereas ALL healing abilities (Benediction and Lustrate) used to be %HP, now the majority are unaffected by Defiance.

It depends on the group I end up with.If people are new or I see they are not executing the mechanics the way they should.I won't dps at all.But if I get a group that are doing things flawlessly.I will stance dance and heal when necessary.Healing always comes first to me.Dps second :3

That thread necro.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Lustrate is affected. It's no longer a HP percentage, which now means WAR's Defiance no longer buffs it, either. Whereas ALL healing abilities (Benediction and Lustrate) used to be %HP, now the majority are unaffected by Defiance.

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It isn't true anymore, but it was at the time it was posted (look at the date), so can't really call someone about it other than the guy who revived this thread.

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Originally Posted by revonine

That thread necro.

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Well healers are used to raising things.......