I don't want to use parsers

I'd love a parser. I would be nice to know just for my sake of being a good player. Let me know if im doing acceptable dps or not instead of me playing a class/job wrong. I've seen it used the wrong way tho. People complain about someone else's numbers and all that nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

All you want is to see how much dps people are doing. That's all that parsers really do. How you choose to apply that information is up to you.

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Yep. Exactly this. Good players in a positive environment use parsers to evaluate how well they are doing. They will see if they are behind and ask for help with their rotations and gear. They will encourage and offer tips to others. It offers an answer to why a given DPS check was missed, so will aid in the progression of raid content. It also fosters productive discussion on job balance when you can quantify the differences (insert snarky comment about productive discussions on the internet here).

Even something like training dummies that report DPS wouldn't be ideal. A training dummy is nice for a sanity check but doesn't measure up to a real encounter where you have to move, target swap, deal with imperfect timing on buffs, etc.

I would wager a vast majority of top tier players (those that clear Coil before it is nerfed/unlocked, or have the raw talent/skill to do so) are not publicly hostile about parsing in their parties. They might chuckle with their co-raiders and friends about how good or bad this or that guy's DPS is relative to his gear, but it's very rare that they will join a random party and ostracize that person just because they parse.

The ones to be concerned about are low to mid tier players who lack any kind of logical reasoning and just treat a parse result as if it is law. These are the ones you typically see chewing people out for being "the worst" DPS (by an extremely small margin and/or without considering other factors), or being chewed out for it and acting as if all parsing is the devil.

These people are the reason we can't have nice things. A parse result is one of many tools one can use to analyze a fight and improve oneself. We have a huge double-standard in our playerbase where tanks and healers are held to a high standard but it's ok for DPS to be mediocre because "oh you can't parse you can't tell me I suck". There are plenty of easy ways to tell if someone is an awful DPS just by watching what they do (and to a much lesser extent, the enmity meter). Though that's hardly a problem unique to DPS in this game, as telling anyone they suck (in so many words) is rarely met with a receptive attitude.

Being elitist isn't a bad thing. It's called "having standards."

Parsers should not be allowed in the dungeon finder. Maybe private parsers but honestly having no parser is better then having one that people can use against you. Mmo gamers are often a sour crowd and it would be used for harassment more then helping people. Maybe a form of non numerical parser could be accepted.

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Originally Posted by Galdous

Parsers should not be allowed in the dungeon finder. Maybe private parsers but honestly having no parser is better then having one that people can use against you. Mmo gamers are often a sour crowd and it would be used for harassment more then helping people. Maybe a form of non numerical parser could be accepted.

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What would a "non-numerical" parser accomplish? The whole point is to gauge effectiveness against what is typically expected of a given role in an encounter; making the information purposely vague or stylized won't help since it still comes down to making comparisons.

Hate parsers as I main SMN. I've seen dot dam on one where it's saying my dot dam is 600 a tick and I clearly see it click at 1.1k+
Untel dot ticks show up in battle log it would always be crap.

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Originally Posted by Picori

Hate parsers as I main SMN. I've seen dot dam on one where it's saying my dot dam is 600 a tick and I clearly see it click at 1.1k+
Untel dot ticks show up in battle log it would always be crap.

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Wrong - when was the last time you used one? They gauge DOT dps quite well now actually.

Static uses it every raid. So used yesterday lol!
They use ACT.

Try running at a dummy and do bio. Just bio nothing else. Shows zero dps as doesnt show unless you do some physical attack.

Then it does dots on its own not full tick so if you even add all of them with a your own calculator doesn't even go close to what you se ticks for.

3 people in static use parser. Not going to say name sense don't want them baned.
Anyways in turn 10 to try it out we had no on attack but tank and I had full dots on to see the ticks. It was 1.0-1.2 average and 1.7k crit.
Parser wasn't even close. On all 3 of there's. (Same parser ACT) after other tests like dummy's got to point where when calling dps numbers they don't say my name as they find it pointless.