(2.x End SPOILERS) That's about seven shades of fouled up...

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Originally Posted by Endu

Why would the dragons ally with Ul'dah? That makes no sense whatsoever.

It's possible that Lolo is in bed with the Garleans though, could also be Ascians.... Since it's always Ascians. Ilberd might actually be an Ascian for all we know, that dude seemed awfully juiced.

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I did read a theory that Gaius never died and is actually Ilberd. I thought it was a bit out there until the fight. The way Ilberd fights is very reminiscent of Gaius.

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Originally Posted by Emerald_Wyvern

I did read a theory that Gaius never died and is actually Ilberd. I thought it was a bit out there until the fight. The way Ilberd fights is very reminiscent of Gaius.

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Except that Ilbert isn't a garlean ( Garleans have white skin and hairs, are some kind of mixt between highlander and elezen and have a third eye and can't use magic)

I don't understand why people think Ilberd is Gaius.

Gaius helped take care of Cid growing up. Ilberd grew up with Raubahn

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Originally Posted by lololink

Except that Ilbert isn't a garlean ( Garleans have white skin and hairs, are some kind of mixt between highlander and elezen and have a third eye and can't use magic)

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I didn't say the theory wasn't without holes <_<. But do remember that glamour is a canon thing.

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Originally Posted by Emerald_Wyvern

I didn't say the theory wasn't without holes <_<. But do remember that glamour is a canon thing.

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I honestly think Gaius lived and is biding his time to show back up when we least expect it (As all great villains do). Me personally, I think Gaius wound up as Lahabrea's new host. We kicked him out of Thancred's body, then blew up the Pretorium and Ultima with it, and Gaius' body was just ripe for the picking since he needed a new vessel any way. And before the "Body type" thing comes up, lets not forget that we have never seen Gaius with out armor. We don't even know what his face looks like let alone the rest of him so how would we know even if we did unmask Lahabrea again?

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Originally Posted by Starcade

2) Why are we allowed to set foot back in Ul'Dah?

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Because were Bawz.

I want to make it clear. I HATE THIS 1000 character limit. This is to Lilirulu's post on page 1.

Anyway:

1) What's to say, if the Garleans pay the Monetarists enough, that getting that foothold and an imminent attack is exactly what the Monetarists want?

As far as the other two leaders, if anyone thinks they aren't in league with the Scions, they aren't paying attention.

2) Martial law. Anyone who doesn't move on the WoL probably dies at the hands of the Monetarists.

3) Yes they did.

4) I don't know which is the bigger mistake: The Crystal Braves not killing Alphinaud (as the WoL's one remaining ally) or Ilberd not executing Raubahn.

6) Rowena is fleeing to Ishgard in 3.0.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Also trying to arrest you in Ul'Dah would cause a civil war between the GC and the brass blades, in Mor Dhona they'd get their throat cut by a ninja before even touching you.

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Desired result, as is, IMHO, introducing the Garleans on their side to force a civil war between Ul'Dah and the Garleans vs. Limsa, Ishgaard, and Gridania.

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Originally Posted by Endu

Why would the dragons ally with Ul'dah? That makes no sense whatsoever.

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Perhaps as willing dupes?

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Originally Posted by Endu

It's possible that Lolo is in bed with the Garleans though, could also be Ascians.... Since it's always Ascians. Ilberd might actually be an Ascian for all we know, that dude seemed awfully juiced.

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I think it's clear that Ilberd has power well above his means. He's almost certainly got something which indicates he is Ascian.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

There won't be a "civil" war within Eorzea; that's entirely why Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna left when they did. If they had stayed they may have intervened in Ul'dahn politics, and that would lead to a "civil" war within Eorzea.

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I believe that so unavoidable that it's almost certainly the desired result of all of this.

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The Monetarists never believed the Scions were responsible for Nanamo's death; they simply framed them to use them as scapegoats. Same for Raubahn.

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Except it's not working in the least, so it's clear they didn't go nearly far enough, and now they are clearly in for a pound here.

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the Monetarists, or really just Lolorito at this point, are simply out for power. The point wasn't to destroy the Alliance but to consolidate power within Ul'dah and pave the way for Omega's excavation.

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But for whose end? That would seem to play right in to Garlean hands.