What are the internal issues of Gridania?

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Originally Posted by Xeynaar

I think people are using the word "racism" for xenofobism. Their attitude is toward anyone not native to Gridania, regardless of race. Citizens are from different races too (beside hyur and elezen) - botanist guild's guildmaster is a lalafel.

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It's both, actually.

Xenophobia is their refusal to assist foreigners unless their magical invisible tree friends say so. The main scenario quest goes into this in detail.

Racism is demonstrated in the Lancer and Archer guild quests -- respectively, the lack of trust offered to Duskwights, and the view of Moon Keepers as ignorant savages (and both quest stories have these prejudices coming back to bite them in the ass)

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Out of all 3 city i would still pick grid, When a city seem like a good area and everyone seem happy there something really fuck up going that no one know about yet. Look how crazy ul'dah have become and we knew a lot of the issue that was going on.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again: Lominsa has no undercurrent of something shady going on. All shady business is conducted in the bright sunlight! What you see is what you get.

Gridania's less-savory elements are borne primarily of culturally ingrained hostility towards outsiders. Ul'dah, though...just, Ul'dah's got problems man.

From the beginning I saw Gridania as Elitists (less then Ishgard tho °_°), and Kan-E-Senna is one i like the less from the "state leaders" I just didn't like her from the beginning y.y/

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Originally Posted by Mahri

Ul'dah, though...just, Ul'dah's got problems man.

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You made me laugh with this so hard :)

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Originally Posted by myahele

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...n-ye-senna.png

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This picture is my spirit animal.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

Aside from that, the other one was a heavy dosage of elitism, racism and isolationist tendencies where Gridanians don't seem very fond of outsiders and Wildwood Elezen, of which Gridania probably has the largest population of the city-states, tend to see other races as inferior and often times undeserving.

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The biggest popualtion of Elezeen have Ishgard. It is a Elezeen city. Gridania population was always balanced out between Elezeen and Midlanders, because both already lived together during the Gremorra era.
Gridanias are also less racist and more regionalist.
"Be welcome in Gridania, but follow the law and don't pluck the wrong flower. And don't anger the elementals"

So much hostility for Gridania... all they want to do is live peacefully in a forest where they, and everyone they know or love, could until recently be killed for little or no obvious reason through the whims and actions of an overwhelmingly powerful force of nature that only communicates that will through people who deliberately and consciously chose to listen.
Duskwights and Keepers of the Moon aren't trusted because they refused to live within the structure the Elementals set out, putting everyone in danger. For centuries. Even to this day, though the Elementals were weakened through the destruction of so much of the Shroud. Several quests address the Keepers and Duskwights as poachers and bandits because many of them still refuse to accept the rules and want to maintain "traditional" lifestyles that run counter to the constrictions placed upon Gridania.
Outsiders feel Gridanians are cold because outsiders represent change, and might not play within the rules of Gridanian society. Adventurers are probably the greatest representation of change, as they don't really follow one path.
The Lancer questline's Duskwight went out of his way to put himself, you, and others in danger. He wasn't a bad person because he was a Duskwight, he was a Duskwight who was a bad person (for, of course, fairly bad reasons.)
The Archer questline was that Elvaan chap's pride and bad experiences with a Keeper bandit. The guildmaster made efforts to get him to move on and accept the Keeper who came out from the cold.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

My understanding is that Gridania's relationship with the elementals is, and always will be, hanging by a thread, and Kan-E and her siblings are pretty much all that stands between them and annihilation. Unfortunately, the elementals are a little too invisible to make for good drama, the Sylphs and Ixal are both toothless as Beast Tribes go, and none of the poacher bands have come anywhere close to the damage one good (bad) pirate crew can cause in Limsa.

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Yes, the presence of the elementals in the 2.x story is weak. It was stronger during the 1.x story. In 2.0 they only showed up during one CNJ quest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...1dr8EYsg#t=234

I hope they get a stronger presence in 3.x again, like they had during 1.x

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...E1gnNEwoA#t=84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XxTiZjD5Cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7T8_Rvjfm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v0hk400#t=1852

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Originally Posted by gornotck

The Lancer questline's Duskwight went out of his way to put himself, you, and others in danger. He wasn't a bad person because he was a Duskwight, he was a Duskwight who was a bad person (for, of course, fairly bad reasons.)
The Archer questline was that Elvaan chap's pride and bad experiences with a Keeper bandit. The guildmaster made efforts to get him to move on and accept the Keeper who came out from the cold.

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This soooo much. Everyone just says outright racism towards Duskwights and Keepers. But it's towards the individuals themselves. Not the whole race. My own take on the drama in gridania to come is something between the padjal themselves.

Iirc, Dusker racism and displacement does exist within the city. They miss their old homes, too.

The trees don't want them there.

To be honest, the current of constant hostility to outsiders from the townspeople as well as the feeling of "the forest is going to have it's revenge at any moment" keeps me from liking Gridania or joining TA on any of my characters. >.>;

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Originally Posted by Averax

Doesn't the current lore say that the elementals have been significantly weakened due to the calamity, and that everyone's just trying to be respectful now despite the fact that the elementals can no longer vaporize everyone..

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If the WHM questline is anything to go by, the elementals are very capable of destroying everything. I thought the issue with the calamity was that the elementals were more silent/less friendly, which increased tensions between them and the people living there.