Nerf in triple triad NPCs, REALLY????

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I can tell by the second card if I'm going to win lose or Draw with "Chaos" and no it doesn't effect the NPC because they are programmed to play things in a certain order anyway. And then random "oh hey what are my chances of winning with my worst cards vs 5 cards the worst of which are 4 stars!"

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..and yet I still win a lot on those NPC's, go figure.

If your worse at it, do not enjoy or do not understand the challenging aspect I described...so be it. I do not care at this stage, as said I got all the cards they dropped before it gets nerfed so at least I got to enjoy them while they were challenging. This nerf won't affect me anymore as I have no more reason to battle them, the nerf is for the worse players or ones who did not enjoy the challenge in my opinion.

I have finished with the NPC's, I get my fix from playing other people now which remains challenging. Whine all you want about what I said but I gave you my opinion, take it or leave it. I'll just continue enjoying playing people instead of NPC's now that I am done with the NPC's pre-nerf. You can enjoy your easy mode post-nerf version if still farming NPC's for cards.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

..and yet I still win a lot on those NPC's, go figure.

If your worse at it, do not enjoy or do not understand the challenging aspect I described...so be it. I do not care at this stage, as said I got all the cards they dropped before it gets nerfed so at least I got to enjoy them while they were challenging. This nerf won't affect me anymore as I have no more reason to battle them, the nerf is for the worse players or ones who did not enjoy the challenge in my opinion.

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RNG isn't a challenge, you can keep claiming it is. Its like saying "I love the challenge of random Drops". WIth random since they use the same 6-7 cards I know if I can win just by the deal. With Swift I know If I'm going to draw or win after the second of my cards. Period There's no challenge. Its boring. I might as well just let the game play for me for Random or chaos at that point.

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I have finished with the NPC's, I get my fix from playing other people now which remains challenging. Whine all you want about what I said but I gave you my opinion, take it or leave it. I'll just continue enjoying playing people instead of NPC's now that I am done with the NPC's pre-nerf. You can enjoy your easy mode post-nerf version if still farming NPC's for cards.

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I got my sixty.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

RNG isn't a challenge, you can keep claiming it is. Its like saying "I love the challenge of random Drops"

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Yet you fail to grasp it is not 100% RNG, you have control still even if it is more limited control than without those rules. You have never had complete control in FF14 TT against NPC's even if they had no rules you did not get to choose your opponents cards or how they played them. Your whining in my opinion that the rule limits your control but the fact is it never erased that control completely and as I said I won a lot of matches against Chaos and Random, probably about 50% after unlocking 3 star deck so it is not as hard as you make out. Even FF8 had the 'random' rule etc plus a rule called 'opponent' which in a way is similar to chaos.

I suppose your now going to whine about how can't beat with 1 star deck or a lot harder with 2 star, well of course it is harder without a 3 star deck but NPC's range in difficulty and your supposed to work your way up as your deck size increases so there is no problem with not beating a harder NPC using a starter size deck etc, your not supposed to be fighting the hard ones before built up your deck just like your not supposed to run coils at level 1. It is funny how your getting all worked up over my opinion expressed earlier that I enjoyed the challenge pre-nerf, no-one is forcing you to agree with me yet your whining about it is not going to change my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Yet you fail to grasp the fact it is not 100% RNG, you have control still even if it is more limited control than without those rules. You have never had complete control in TT against NPC's even if they had no rules you did not get to choose your opponents cards or how they played them. Your whining in my opinion that the rule limited your control but the fact is it never erased it completely and as I said I won a lot of matches against Chaos and Random, probably about 50% after unlocking 3 star deck so it is not as hard as you make out. I suppose your now going to whine about how can't beat with 1 star deck or a lot harder with 2 star, well of course it is harder without a 3 star deck but NPC's range in difficulty and your supposed to work your way up as your deck size increases so there is no problem with not beating a harder NPC using a starter size deck etc, your not supposed to be fighting the hard ones before built up your deck just like your not supposed to run coils at level 1.

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I'm going to assume you're completely making this up now because you seem to have no idea how random works. I'll explain. With Random they give you 5 1 star cards no matter what is in your deck. Occasionally you will get your silver or something else but its 9 times out of ten one star cards. Even at sixty cards with multiple silvers, one star cards.


Lets continue. I didn't say "I have a problem with beating them" I'm saying ITS BORING AS HELL. I know what cards they have because every damn npc only has like six cards. SO maybe you should stop bringing that up? I know when and where they are going to play it because they have a simple basic pattern. There is nothing challenging about Npcs whatsoever. Some just have annoyingly frustrating rules. It would be like if you entered the coil and couldn't use any power past level 10 randomly because "challenge!"

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I'm going to assume you're completely making this up now because you seem to have no idea how random works. I'll explain. With Random they give you 5 1 star cards no matter what is in your deck. Occasionally you will get your silver or something else but its 9 times out of ten one star cards. Even at sixty cards with multiple silvers, one star cards.

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Wrong, it hardly ever gave me 5 1 star cards and certainly not 9 out 10 times.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

Lets continue. I didn't say "I have a problem with beating them" I'm saying ITS BORING AS HELL. I know what cards they have because every damn npc only has like six cards. SO maybe you should stop bringing that up? I know when and where they are going to play it because they have a simple basic pattern. There is nothing challenging about Npcs whatsoever. Some just have annoyingly frustrating rules. It would be like if you entered the coil and couldn't use any power past level 10 randomly because "challenge!"

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It is not that extreme, or anywhere near it. Fact is you retain control, limited as it might be it is still possible to win quite often which I know for a fact because I have done so. Like being limited in ilvl but still possible to clear a dungeon even with that limitation, the challenge is increased and your ability to clear still exists...it is just harder to do so and the greater the handicap the bigger the challenge. Keep whining at me all day long if you want, your not going to change my opinion. As I also said FF8 had some of the same rules and similar ones too so I guess you never played TT in FF8 then or you just maybe sucked at it.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Wrong, it hardly ever gave me 5 1 star cards and certainly not 9 out 10 times.

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So you're saying that RNG favored you amazing that.

Anyone unable to farm even the most difficult NPCs is simply bad at TT.

Yes, random and chaos can be tough. But random is more than farmable once you hit 60 cards and Chaos isn't very hard once you realize the npcs that use it have weak points to their decks.

I'd be more than happy to see a buff to drop rates on rarer cards, free MGP never hurts. However, anyone having trouble farming really just needs to just up their game.

"Random" is unfair to the player for one simple reason:
We have more cards than they do.
It's a little lopsided when Landenel will get both Bahamut AND Odin each and every game whereas i get saddled with moogle, pudding, bomb, Ixal, and whatever random 2-5 star i have, despite me having over 50 cards.
we're basically penalized for having more cards while the NPC is completely unaffected.
If there's a certain hand i receive where it is nearly impossible for me to win the match no matter what strategy i use, but the NPCs get basically the same hand every time, then the match is unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad

Anyone unable to farm even the most difficult NPCs is simply bad at TT.

Yes, random and chaos can be tough. But random is more than farmable once you hit 60 cards and Chaos isn't very hard once you realize the npcs that use it have weak points to their decks.

I'd be more than happy to see a buff to drop rates on rarer cards, free MGP never hurts. However, anyone having trouble farming really just needs to just up their game.

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Its easy as hell to farm the Random ones. "Do I have a chance in hell with this deck? No? Spam it"

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Originally Posted by jomoru

Its easy as hell to farm the Random ones. "Do I have a chance in hell with this deck? No? Spam it"

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Uh, maybe use cards with two weak sides and place them where they'll leave the card that flips them in a vunerable position?

Learn2TT

Obviously you don't pick your own deck, but fighting random rule npcs is all about baiting with what you have.