Can someone explain to me Lazy Tanking please.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Just be happy that you aren't using Paladin. They don't get Shield Oath till level 40.

Use Defiance. Pop CD's.

Also....have you used any of your Bonus Points? Should put them all into VIT while you are leveling.

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STR is just as valid as VIT for both PLD and WAR.

All points into STR = more enmity generation and more DPS as OT
All points into VIT = more HP

If you find at endgame that you can't keep aggro, more STR is definitely beneficial. If you find at endgame you can't stay alive, more VIT is definitely beneficial. The biggest reason people like STR is that you get more VIT than STR on accessories, making STR more "valuable," point for point. But, if you want maxed VIT, you'll need to put all your points into VIT.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

STR is just as valid as VIT for both PLD and WAR.

All points into STR = more enmity generation and more DPS as OT
All points into VIT = more HP

If you find at endgame that you can't keep aggro, more STR is definitely beneficial. If you find at endgame you can't stay alive, more VIT is definitely beneficial. The biggest reason people like STR is that you get more VIT than STR on accessories, making STR more "valuable," point for point. But, if you want maxed VIT, you'll need to put all your points into VIT.

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Just be happy that you aren't using Paladin. They don't get Shield Oath till level 40.

Use Defiance. Pop CD's.

Also....have you used any of your Bonus Points? Should put them all into VIT while you are leveling.

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You are completely right, but just going to put this up here for emphasis. While leveling you don't generally have the option of over gearing for said content, so the extra HP buffer is always a good idea.

I only asked OP about their Bonus points, because looking at their Profile it doesn't look they have used any at all.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

You are completely right, but just going to put this up here for emphasis. While leveling you don't generally have the option of over gearing for said content, so the extra HP buffer is always a good idea.

I only asked OP about their Bonus points, because looking at their Profile it doesn't look they have used any at all.

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Ah, my apologies - I misunderstood what you meant by "while leveling." In general, if you're new to tanking, I agree that VIT is a great way to go. But, that said, in the early dungeons, I find that my trouble is keeping aggro more than keeping alive. I went full VIT on my first tank class (GLA/PLD) and had trouble keeping things aggroed until level 40. If I had focused on STR, I might have had less trouble with that. On WAR, I put everything into STR while leveling and things went much better, but I was also much more experienced in tanking at that point, so it's hardly a valid experiment.

I see and I learned what I did wrong. I use my team gameplay and try to bring it with others which doesn't mesh well. How ever I did this run as a MAR with my friends and somehow clean play clear time about 30 mins no wipes but smiles. Now back to my high experience players are tunnle vision comment. For some odd reason players at my skill lvl finish this dumgeon in average 30mins but the moment I'm on team with an advance player wipes happens chemistry is gone everyone is uneasy. I have my perks and issues cleaning them up as I play. But I don't think having a lvl 50 mindset works in a lvl 30 dungeon. Ijs saying that from previous MMOs and other activties that require team work.

they were probs just bad level 50 players,, in my experience bray is no different to newbs or 50's, it runs the same way because of the class limitations.

you cant pull to much because things hit hard, healer has very limited mp in there even more so as whm, dps have access to good skills for the range and so you shouldn't have issues with things dying.

as for mobs being slept, its one dungeon that actually benefits from it, if its available to the group, def not needed but it can make the run smoother, in regards to the healer doing it,, well it quite simply makes there job easier. one less mob hitting you and it can save your life at times.

as stated above if your not using all your skills then you are being a "lazy tank", not that being a mrd is being lazy since its quite possible to run into tanks who do not have there jobs unlocked. myself included when I first got there I was level 34 gla no pld available.. I also didn't know about pld at the time cus I was new to the game.

its def the dungeon that teaches the tank to tank with actual boss mechanics that need to be dealt with, but also like you said the grp has to pay attention too.


the "lazy tank" moniker that I know off would be due to the tank not doing whats considered their job to do, that is not always holding the agro, using cooldowns and positioning, prepping / dealing with certain mechanics, being well geared and decisive knowing where to push sections when to hold back and other things aswell. holding agro and getting hit is only one part of a tanks job.

No offense to the other comments but you made the most sense. Like I said I had my issues and faults and clearing them up. The lazy tanking comment was made because the healer at the time didn't like me. I agree bray was the first real challenge as a tank and learning warrior. Also taught me to be versatile when playing with other people. Not everyone function the same way or do the same style of play. It's ok overdapt over come. Only time Bray becomes complicate when I get that lvl 50 tunnel vision player who has these lvl 50 schematics trying to perform these advance plays with players who know still grasping the game and mobs that's still straight forward as far as tactic goes. Bray goes from being a simple 30 min run to an 45 to 50 mins due to lack of moral, heavy tension, and it's always a healer performing these high lvl plays haha. But in my mmo life I know tanks are usually the a holes so I do my best to play humble and enjoy the game for what it is.

Excuse my bad grammar I should proof read before I send haha.

I went full str as mrd now going in as war. I never had aggro issues until I'm up against a high stat ninja haha that was issues. I figure that would be my off tank have fun class and lvl up my paladin full vit for FC.

You have so many great Warriors giving you advice and here you are talking about personal play style. You CAN'T have a personal play style while you are STILL learning the job. Go learn from video guides etc. After you get to 50, THEN you can start figuring out your play style. But never go into lvl50 dg as a MRD, people would curse you for doing it. People call Warrior a lazy tank when they don't use miam combo and use def cd. Being a Warrior is not only about keeping aggro. It may when you are leveling up but after 50. If you only use Butchers Block combo then you are a lazy warrior, not bringing out Warriors full potential. I noticed that you are going full str, but i recommend you to be full vit until you get lvl 50. You can go into str after you outgear a content and learnt the basic of tanking as a warrior.