Fishing RNG... Really!?

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You seem to think I'm not intimately familiar with the challenges of Fisher.

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Your first post in this thread didn't seem to indicate such intimate understanding :<

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Offhands being introduced for Fisher would still come with a soaring of Gathering/Perception expectations to match.

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I don't see why this would necessarily have to be the case when they're already basically as high as BTN/MIN's are, as indicated by the fact how even with BiS everything for FSH you can and will continuously lose big fish, and not even just the most difficult ones. Right now, FSH is behind where BTN/MIN is in terms of their stat potential keeping up with what is available for them to obtain.

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And I'll just answer one thing: We don't have to factor GP into anything.

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You act like this is supposed to help FSH somehow.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

295 gathering on mine, 400 lugworms later, still no saw fish. The rod you get at 50 iLvl 55 has the same gathering as BTN and MIN main at 50.

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i had about 330 gathering on mine, got the titanic sawfish to appear, and lost it because "gathering skill was too low"

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I don't see why this would necessarily have to be the case when they're already basically as high as BTN/MIN's are

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It's not accidental that the difficulties of obtaining the largest fish are set to what they are right now. Yes, it would help with current fish - and all future fish in turn would be based around having it. The devs are fully aware of what the potential stat caps for Fishing are, and they've chosen time and time again to set the 'final test' for "Yeah, you're going to need almost perfect". That trend would likely just continue, because that's the intent they have demonstrated so far.

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as indicated by the fact how even with BiS everything for FSH you can and will continuously lose big fish, and not even just the most difficult ones.

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If fish were intended to be in any way a guaranteed catch, they'd have very different mechanics from what they have now, if not solely in terms of the rate vs minimum-to-catch lenience they would have given us. It's not BTN/MIN.

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You act like this is supposed to help FSH somehow.

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It does. If we're not spending money on GP materia/higher level materia so we have space for GP materia, we can, for the same amount of functional/financial investment as BTN/MIN, come closer to our max potential. That's what's being factored in.

What I wanna stress here though is something I've brought up before on the subject of Fisher off-hands: Those things eat money to meld well. Adding one "for more stats" sounds nice, but frankly, it just makes the investment floor higher. The desired end result - having more reliable catches on the most difficult fish - doesn't require the implementation of an off-hand, but rather a change in the way these catch rates and requirements are being set to begin with.

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i had about 330 gathering on mine, got the titanic sawfish to appear, and lost it because "gathering skill was too low"

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Titanic should not have that message appear at 330 gathering. However, there's a new fish that can appear under certain conditions that has an absolutely massive Gathering requirement, and that would have prompted the message.

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Originally Posted by warren-ragnarok

i had about 330 gathering on mine, got the titanic sawfish to appear, and lost it because "gathering skill was too low"

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If you are referring to the message that appears something like "you sense a larger catch comes to the surface" or something like that. That was added in 2.4 patch, I don't think that is the saw fish, from the patch notes:

Fish that only appear based on your previous catches have been added.
E.g. Breeds of fish that only appear after five of their natural predator have been caught.

I can't imagine the silver shark or wahoo being a predator of the saw fish, since you need the wahoo to catch the saw fish. I think the only way to know that you hooked the saw fish is to watch the pole and how it bends. I've now been through over 500 lugworms and no saw fish.

I will try and overmeld my gear, to get my gathering up over 300 and see if that helps ( I know people here are saying that if you have enough gathering to fish the hole thats enough, but I am still not convinced that this is true, it seems like people are just speculating this). I did increase my gathering some and I have noticed now when I fish for the boar skin maps I now catch them within 5 casts, before it would be 20 or more. Happy fishing.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

I know people here are saying that if you have enough gathering to fish the hole thats enough, but I am still not convinced that this is true, it seems like people are just speculating this). I did increase my gathering some and I have noticed now when I fish for the boar skin maps I now catch them within 5 casts, before it would be 20 or more. Happy fishing.

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I'll argue the opposite - nothing to date has suggested in any way that gathering has any impact on what fish are attempted to be landed, just on whether the catch is successful, and your case is just speculation. Sitting at upwards of 350 gathering for a while now I've had a variety of timings involved in how many casts any given map requires - and there's a great deal of other factors (Availability of other fish in the pool, bait, etc).

Not that raising your gathering's a bad idea, if not solely to ensure that when it does show up you don't miss it. And hey, do it now and you don't have to do it later.

Titanic's just known to have taken quite a while for some people - one FC friend of mine has probably been to the open window about 30 times now and still hasn't had it show up. Everyone's got a different fish that just refuses to show (looking at you ninja betta)

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

I'll argue the opposite

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Yes, I know you will. But its all good.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

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I will try and overmeld my gear, to get my gathering up over 300 and see if that helps ( I know people here are saying that if you have enough gathering to fish the hole thats enough, but I am still not convinced that this is true, it seems like people are just speculating this). I did increase my gathering some and I have noticed now when I fish for the boar skin maps I now catch them within 5 casts, before it would be 20 or more. Happy fishing.

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My fisher alt, http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1417349/ is currently at Gathering 366 and Perception 300 without food. Even with food there are some fish she cannot catch due to gathering too low.

Yes raising your gathering and perception WILL help. But the Boarskin map thing is our old friend the RNG. She gets them usually in the first 15 casts, but occasionally fishing fatigue will set in before she can land one.

I have full Foragers gear and max melded in perception and gathering. With food and FC buff, I hit around 410 gathering.

I am still having fish at 310~ gathering get awya due to just RNG.

Gathering only makes it so you can catch the fish, nothing else at all.

This isn't just speculation, this is just through and through how it is. When I have the current maximum gathering you can aquire, you'd think that I should be able to catch 1 stars and 2 stars with no misses, right?

Wrong. They still get away now and then.

EDIT: Though I will test this out when I get the Ironworks rod. Apart from that, I'm maxed.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

And if I hear another person say " oh I caught the saw fish in only a few minutes" I'm going to punch a Lalafell, and punt him off Cape Westwind, then maybe I'll catch one. A sacrifice to try and appease the RNG gods.

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*hides under my tiny blanket and continues fishing for big fish*