New claim system, the death of open world content?

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

All in all the claim system will simply not work in any way, there is just no way it will with a competitive endgame.

The mpk will run rampant and endgame groups will not want to work together to gear rival groups or allow free loaders to get into the fight and possibly get anything. It is simple endgame mechanics in any mmo real endgame is competitive.

As other said people will not just start working together... they will simply start mpk each other is large mpk wars. Look at FFXI before the /blockaid command... that is what you will have here more or less. Except with players legitimately being able to attack your mobs and just "be bad at hate control" when helping kill a mob... nothing GMs will be able to do about some piece of crap killing your entire party to make a point.

SE talking about most Rare drops coming from instanced fights is also a massive negative.... I love half the things this dev team does and the other half I just question completely. Devs seem to only think things through half way most the times in this game.

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If you're against the new claming system, then why are you against rare stuff dropping in instanced fights? If we can't help you with the mob, do you want us sitting around waiting for you until you're done with it?

Also they could add a /blockaid command too and then no one except party members can attack your mob.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Well they did say if something was overly done they can make adjustments and will try to make adjustments quickly to fix it right at the end of that interview. We'll see how the system is and if it needs fix right away after players test since dev testing seems to always have holes... we can tell them to get it fixed.

Personally I like this new idea and makes sense, + for harder NM's like HNM style they did say they were going to make them more instance based so it should solve lots of problems we saw in FFXI imo.

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It they think the answer to all FF14 content is to instance everything, then i'll happily go play a HUB MMO. Where you at Vindictus!?

I don't want it to be 100% FF11, but if all content is us being teleported to our own private area, then screw that. It's sad enough we have to be teleported to the Grand Company HQ (and Wards), so annoying.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Would hurt players too... Look at Aion's ganking problem

Rival linkshell claims X mob go kill them, Rival Ls is gathering for Dungeons Go kill them, Rival linkshell member just raised up at a Aetherit gate camp their body until you force them to just log off.

The kind of PvP you describe would basically kill the game more of less.

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^ exactly this. If they were to implement a no-restrictions open-world PvP system then I would have to quit the game. Imagine trying to go out and gather, no wait you're dead. Imagine trying to go out and grind on monsters, no wait you're dead. Imagine trying to do ANYTHING outside the city, no wait you're dead.

The only PvP I'd be okay with is either in a specific area designed for PvP and duels. Both of those would require players to consciously accept or go to that area.

i wonder if youll be able to sp on more then one mob at a time

This thread makes my Iron Tempest giddy for joy.

AoE burns all the way.

This game promotes AoE abilities, yet doesn't let us utilize it (predefined "Groups"s that all turn red don't count).

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

It's sad enough we have to be teleported to the Grand Company HQ (and Wards), so annoying.

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That part I completely agree I hate how we have to zone to the mission area, market, grand company HQ... wonder what other stuff they planning for us to zone from that same damn place... I thought it was going to be seemless maps but this game has loading point all over the place...

For me the instanced NM was thinking more like how the faction NM or guildleve works where it's still on open map with other players but only you and your group gets to do the NM/HNM/etc (or see the NM until you hit/make the initial attack) so you can still get helped from outside but since you/your group is the initial starter the reward (if dropped) will come to you. At least this way they can't steal your NM + help to kill the damn thing faster so they get their turn if its one group per instance (hope not, and hope it's random area pop so NM's pop different area's instead of same place as other group) and personally I'm against the 24 hour pop; done it for years and years maybe some like it but for me with real life it was too much, still might be good for those game life only hardcore players but for me, personally, no thanks. If they added a content like that, then so be it, few will like, few will never get to do them. Can't make both sides happy every time.

Adding this: Only concern I have for Open map NM/HNM is if the NM/HNM uses AOE attacks often and it's type of NM/HNM where you need a good tank tanking the NM/HNM and you have other people from outside helping... wouldn't it screw up the hate system and make it harder for the tank to keep hate, resulting in the NM/HNM running around using AOE killing everyone in the party. Hope they are thinking this far, this can be applied to regular high level mobs too. And can result in MPK unless like other mentioned they add /blockaid

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

This game promotes AoE abilities, yet doesn't let us utilize it (predefined "Groups"s that all turn red don't count).

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I think the problem is that there aren't more of these pre-defined groups. I can't really think of many, if any at all, monsters outside of dungeons and leves that are grouped aside from a few NMs. They just need to take the SP restriction off unclaimed monsters and all will be right.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i wonder if youll be able to sp on more then one mob at a time

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I left out the other half of the quote because I didn't think it would really fit with this discussion, but here's your answer:

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Famtisu: When you attack a monster that just popped the name doesn’t change to red and lessens the HP resulting in less EXP. Will this also be looked when these changes are going to be made?

Matsui: That’s is a bug and will be fixed.

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I think it's obvious that we will be able to kill multiple mobs simultaneously to gain exp after this update.

Translations courtesy of Reinheart :)

Edit: Hmm, I might be looking too far into this though. It might just be the claim bug that they're fixing and not less HP = less EXP bug. I hope it's the latter.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

I left out the other half of the quote because I didn't think it would really fit with this discussion, but here's your answer:



I think it's obvious that we will be able to kill multiple mobs simultaneously to gain exp after this update.

Translations courtesy of Reinheart :)

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this wil make the game, especially behest much funner IMO.