Goad

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

So we have to watch

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Don't watch. Listen. Overpower has a very distinctive "woogie-woogie-whammo" sound that is easy to distinguish from other SFX.

But any pull with 4+ targets would benefit from Goad. You could apply it right at the start. Trust your instincts and play proactively.

Here is a handy chart:
1. Are there 4 or more targets? If Y, go to 2. If N, hold Goad.
2. Is there a WAR? If Y, Goad the WAR. If N, go to 3.
3. Is there a MNK? If Y, Goad the MNK. If N, go to 4.
4. Is there a DRG? If Y, you can't Goad KO'd targets. If N, hold Goad.

Why do WAR's spam overpower? Just overpower three times, then build wrath for steel cyclone. We did fine with no goad before, we will do fine now. Give goad to dps so they can do more dps

Oh geeeeeeez. How did Warriors ever get by without Rogues/Ninjas? Heavens forbid a Warrior get his Gladiator to 15 and set Flash on his bar, so he can use something besides Overpower from time to time. If only there were some other mechanic exclusive to warrior to build some kind of secondary resource with which to use skills that might generate enmity or mitigate damage. Unfortunately there is not. Skills like Steel Cyclone and Infuriate do not exist. For all time Warriors will be forced to rely solely upon Ninjas to Goad them for Overpower Spam, a Warrior's only skill. If only Retaliate also generated this non-existent resource that does not exist.

No wait, all of this stuff does exist, and this is 100% a L2P Warrior situation.

^ Great logic. Let's take it further: Goad didn't exist before 2.4 so it's not needed to use it ever.

Ninja didn't exist before 2.4 so we don't need to use it ever.

It's nice to have, but it's not completely needed. I guess the Ninjas need to know when to use it and on who, but also it shouldn't be strictly for tanks if they're using TP they don't need to using "woogie-woogie-whammo".

I will use flash when going into dungeons and add a few over powers, after that though hate is maintained until the group has dwindled down enough to where using BB rotation and target switching is enough.

It's situational, I've had ninja's give me it during mid-fight after a pull that was big. I didn't have to say anything but you sort of get a feeling when to use it. Like Black Mages using their magic buff on a tank. I always thought it was there because the DPS aoe moves can be rather costly..so help them out a bit and give them some TP!

Maybe the question shouldn't be why aren't Ninja's giving the TP but why are the warriors using their "woogie-woogie-whammo" too much? I like that...I'm taking that into a macro. If you ever get a tank and overpower comes with a "woogie-woogie-whammo" text...this was a good day.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

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Bruh, don't turn nin into the next brd by not wanting to cast Goad on someone.... plz.

The only class you don't Goad is brd, and that's if there is another DPS (melee) in the party or a tank needs it. At that point, if the brd wants tp he should play paeon. Chances are the other dps could use some help with tp at that time too.

It's not about enmity.

Overpower is 120 potency conal AoE with no combo requirement and the only other AoE WAR has besides Steel Cyclone. Since WAR has no means of replenishing TP, Goad fits nicely for them. Granted, it's only feasible to use OP for DPS when there are a minimum number of targets.

If you know your MNK or DRG isn't a clown, goad them all you want. But I assume we're talking about random-ass DF where the MNK has internalized "MNK can't AoE" and the DRG is going to spam 100 potency Ring of Thorns. A WAR really can't screw up Overpower.

Im maining a tank, and I honestly don't expect Goad unless I ask for it. Which takes a simple "Goad Please." in the chat. The end. All's well that ends well.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

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Bruh, don't turn nin into the next brd by not wanting to cast Goad on someone.... plz.

The only class you don't Goad is brd, and that's if there is another DPS (melee) in the party or a tank needs it. At that point, if the brd wants tp he should play paeon. Chances are the other dps could use some help with tp at that time too.

@Leonus, This is not about BRD and Paeon, this is about WARs burning all their TP on Overpowers and then expecting NINs to read their minds and Goad them.
@SeraviEdalborez, Goad did not exist before 2.4, therefore WARs should now burn their TP while expecting immediate Goads without having to ask for it, then create forums complaining about NINs not watching their every move and mentally counting their TP to pre-emptively Goad them.

If you need Goad, ask for it. MNK and DRG need Goad too. Yes, I know they also have Invigorate. You also have other skills and resources. If you are going to lose hate because you ran out of TP, you are doing something wrong. Overpower does not need to be spammed until you are completely out of TP.