Devs: A Monk front-facing combo. (Positional Requirement)

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Originally Posted by dday3six

The problem with having something other than Ninja's gimmicky Sneak Attack that deals more damage in the front is confusion. It confuses people who might think they are suppose to attack from the front, only to be cleaved for their trouble.

Giving Monk more damage while they're at the non-corresponding position, is a slippery slop of leeway which might result in a situation of not using correct positioning at all, because the damage is only marginally different.

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I'm not going to lie, your first thought confuses me.

To your 2nd thought, there is nothing slippery about it, it's for those moments when you don't have a tank to hold the mob in place for you. 20+ less potency is a big difference to not want it.

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Originally Posted by Akamu_Aniketos

I'm not going to lie, your first thought confuses me.

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It there was an attack which got increased potency from the front, how would a new player know that in dungeons they were not suppose to attack from the front.

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Originally Posted by Akamu_Aniketos

To your 2nd thought, there is nothing slippery about it, it's for those moments when you don't have a tank to hold the mob in place for you. 20+ less potency is a big difference to not want it.

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It has been sometime, I believe that was around the potency loss for the flank only Monk rotation. Now that was also before the buff to Twin Snakes' duration, and it was used to make sure you did lose TS as well. However I find similarity, in the situation, which might cause Monks to go back to a single position rotation for the sake of simplicity.

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Originally Posted by dday3six

It there was an attack which got increased potency from the front, how would a new player know that in dungeons they were not suppose to attack from the front.

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He/she will see that the potency is much higher from the back and sides, so he/she will attack from those positions because it's clearly the better combo option for the highest damage output.

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Originally Posted by Akamu_Aniketos

He/she will see that the potency is much higher from the back and sides, so he/she will attack from those positions because it's clearly the better combo option for the highest damage output.

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You seriously believe new players all think like that?

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Originally Posted by dday3six

You seriously believe new players all think like that?

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If you're new to the game and never bother to read the description of the skills then that's your problem. You will learn.

160 potency from the front VS 180 from the flank - If that's seriously a tough decision for you to call, then playing a game optimally would be the least of your worries.

I've had new player drgs not use their flank directional for the damage boost because it didn't combo to anything and the intial damage was "low" and I've seen mnk that currently don't bother with directional be cause its too much work for the dps gain. So yes I believe you would end up with mnk that only attacks frontal. Which corresponds to the points being brought up, new monks would think it was perfectly ok with them attacking from the front, and just like when you try to nicely educate one of these players they will throw a fit for playing the job the way they want to.

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Originally Posted by Akamu_Aniketos

I find it very odd that Monks do not have a viable combo option to attack from the front without missing out on about 40% DPS. If this was the rouge job then I could almost understand, but Monks should be capable of dropping some hard-hitting hammers from the front!

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Rouge? We applying makeup?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

I've had new player drg SD not use there flank directional for the damage boost because it didn't combo to anything and ghetto in tial damage was"low" and I've seen mnk that currently don't bother with directional be cause its too much work for the dps gain. So yes I believe you would end up with mnk that only frontal.

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I wouldn't doubt it, there is a lot of bad players out there that give melee's a bad name. Still doesn't change anything in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Akamu_Aniketos

If you're new to the game and never bother to read the description of the skills then that's your problem. You will learn.

160 potency from the front VS 180 from the flank - If that's seriously a tough decision for you to call, then playing a game optimally would be the least of your worries.

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It is not always as simple as, X is more than Y. There is s great deal of nuance to optimizing. And for example say this is a players first game like this. They are not use to optimizing, and the idea of rotation is completely foregion to them. But whatever it's easy to spot that you're the sort who is going to deflect any differing opinions, if not out right ignore them.

Starting from level 1, by the time you even get to party with other players, you should know how to use your skills by then. It's not complicated.