12 weeks of Coil T6+T7 without my loot dropping.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

What you just described is essentially a tomestone set for every dungeon Tier...that would be even more tedious than it is right now. There is nothing wrong with the Tomestone system. ITdoes exactly as you are asking. Rewards you with tokens so you can purchase gear to fill slots you're not having luck getting the Coil drop for. Of course you're going to hold out on the soldiery piece for a slot where High Allagan is better but once you've picked up your essential Soldiery pieces you can start grabbing the odds and ends as well as long as it doesn't impact your accuracy cap and replace with High Allagan as it drops. Heck we even have another (unrestricted) source for i110 rings and a finished relic wep is even with HIgh Allagan . You don't want the sllow but guaranteed grind...you don't want the quicker, harder but RNG based option either...what the F do you want?

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No this entire system is flawed. The entire concept of having parallel but different gear is just a bigger piece of the entire problem and it has created one of the worst gear progression systems I've seen in an MMO.

The current system does not:

-Solve the issue outside of Coil in any way. All content outside of Coil serves as nothing but a tomestone farm.
-Solve the issue of people wanting complete gear sets. This is a fundamental drive for many, many players.
-Allow for proper statistical loot population without having to artificially cap player activities.
-Solve the massive redundant gear issue the current system has created.

A proper loot, itemization and token system as I describe solves all of the above with no additional issues that aren't already present in the current system.

My FC mate who just got his 21st T9 kill last night finally saw his BLM staff, lol. Another FC mate on his 20th T9 kill have yet to see his SMN Book. Another of my friend on his 17th T9 kill have yet to see the MNK fist.

Got to continue sacrificing a lalafell every week...

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Originally Posted by Kalandros

Way to go Squenix, coil's loot system is sooo innovative that WoW learned from it years ago and made a token system.

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The token system in WoW was only in place for tier pieces (the class-specific gear in that particular dungeon). And the only reason it worked the way it did there was because there was a LOT of loot in each raid between multiple weapons and a lot of armor pieces.

You're asking SE to put High Alagan gear on a vendor to be obtained by a boss dropping a token for each armor piece. This wouldn't work because it creates a lot of iffy loot distribution. Bosses in WoW would drop two or three armor tokens per kill, and I don't think we have enough jobs in the game nor people in a raid (coil being only 8-man) to justify that approach. Also remember that tokens bunched up several classes, so you go from loot RNG to Need Roll RNG between you and however many people of the classes that correspont to the token are present in the raid.

It's not as easy as saying "i want a token system".

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Originally Posted by Duelle

The token system in WoW was only in place for tier pieces (the class-specific gear in that particular dungeon). And the only reason it worked the way it did there was because there was a LOT of loot in each raid between multiple weapons and a lot of armor pieces.

You're asking SE to put High Alagan gear on a vendor to be obtained by a boss dropping a token for each armor piece. This wouldn't work because it creates a lot of iffy loot distribution. Bosses in WoW would drop two or three armor tokens per kill, and I don't think we have enough jobs in the game nor people in a raid (coil being only 8-man) to justify that approach. Also remember that tokens bunched up several classes, so you go from loot RNG to Need Roll RNG between you and however many people of the classes that correspont to the token are present in the raid.

It's not as easy as saying "i want a token system".

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Huh? It would be completely controlled. They would know the exact maximum number of tokens a person could gain in Coil and know the exact maximum rate since there is a weekly lockout. Pricing the High Allagan gear to allow for a desired loot distribution would be dead simple. If they want to control weapons vs armor it's as simple as having an armor token and a weapon token which drop only from specific turns.

We aren't talking about a system where one token = one piece of gear here. FF14 1.0 had a perfectly good working system like this for primal weapon drops. I'm not sure why they didn't just expand on that system.

I'm one of those people who have gone 10 weeks without a single, I mean not a single BRD drop, which is really Really starting to get on my nerves, but at the same time my static has got the T9 DRG lance about 5 times in a row now. I have heard so many stories about similar situations happening in other parties & statics - never seeing a single item once over months and months, yet seeing the same item over and over, week after week.

Think about this.. Lets say each chest contains 12 items each in them and RNG chooses which item to give the party. Imagine having a 12 sided dice which you roll. It is extremely unlikely (statistically impracticable) to roll the same number four or more times in a row - and even if you did get it once or twice, the chances of you getting it the next time drops exponentially.

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If the FFXIV Loot system was based on pure RNG, I don't think this could ever happen where you get the same item dropping more than 2 (maybe, just MAYBE 3) times in a row - it just doesn't make sense. So i think the system is deeper then just rolling a random number - maybe there is a priority system on it or maybe the seed that is generating the RNG (or however it is being generated) is skewing the results. I can't believe its just "bad luck" any more.

Now I have no idea if this is the truth or not, but there's just no way logically speaking that it could be pure RNG with the sheer amount of complaints about the system. You can't just say RNG is RNG (or randomness), because 4+ times in a row is not randomness, its a pattern.

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Originally Posted by logicallysynced

You can't just say RNG is RNG (or randomness), because 4+ times in a row is not randomness, its a pattern.

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Yeah. I've seen the monk body in 10 weeks 6 times now. Paladin shield last 3 weeks in a row. Another group of my fc has seen the heal body 9 times now and don't loot it anymore.

I finally got my High Allagan Pantaloons of Healing on my 16th clear yesterday. (first drop for main class, yay!)

Still don't have my crook, nor did we get the staff, sword, spear, or dragoon body.

This is going to get ridiculous if they don't change it in expansion, and will be even more annoying in 2.4 because of Ninja loots

They'll fix the drop rate once they fix the Atma drop rate, lol

The lockout is part of the problem. While Coil is locked, you sometimes do not get your loot because of RNG distribution. When Coil gets opened, the content and drops from it are close to being irrelevant. Most you get from unlocking Coil is to raise the Item level of classes you do not really play that often.