Bard BiS - Auroral Brias vs HA Breeches?

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Originally Posted by Tharian

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25 Crit is a pointless stat investment that only gives you 1% crit rate. It is insignificant. And as I said, I have plenty of t9 clears. If I could drop more my accuracy I would. It does not affect it at all. I have no idea why people that havent even cleared content like turn 9 go on saying the accuracy cap is 100% needed for a bard. Crit is an RNG stat that does 0 absolute damage. It is just pure RNG.

If you miss an attack as a bard, who cares, keep firing. You require no positional requirements.

It is not. the only ones besides a tank that need the accuracy cap are the melee dps. They cannot afford to lose a combo chain.

Here's what I'm hoping to finish before 2.4: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTR5

Hopefully the nexus upgrade won't be insane and I can have it finished before the update.

Final numbers after 2.38 upgrades should be 578/516/542/314/383/468 Plus any secondary stat upgrades that come with the i115 relic(i115 weapon dex and vit+extra stats from ramuh upgrade were added in).

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Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad

Here's what I'm hoping to finish before 2.4: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTR5

Hopefully the nexus upgrade won't be insane and I can have it finished before the update.

Final numbers after 2.38 upgrades should be 578/516/542/314/383/468 Plus any secondary stat upgrades that come with the i115 relic(i115 weapon dex and vit+extra stats from ramuh upgrade were added in).

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Too much accuracy. Switch that Aural Choker for the HA choker.

With your build. you actually benefit more from a slightly higher crit rate at the cost of 4 det.

I would intend to for anything other than coil.

Again, this is my 2.4 starter build. I assume t10 will need around 515.

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Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad

I would intend to for anything other than coil.

Again, this is my 2.4 starter build. I assume t10 will need around 515.

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472 was the accuracy cap for bard in turn 5. 472 was perfect for t6. Following this trend, 491 is already for turn 9 for bard. t10 will need you to have 491 and T13 will eventually make you go for 515.

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Originally Posted by Drakuaza

25 Crit is a pointless stat investment that only gives you 1% crit rate. It is insignificant. And as I said, I have plenty of t9 clears. If I could drop more my accuracy I would. It does not affect it at all. I have no idea why people that havent even cleared content like turn 9 go on saying the accuracy cap is 100% needed for a bard. Crit is an RNG stat that does 0 absolute damage. It is just pure RNG.

If you miss an attack as a bard, who cares, keep firing. You require no positional requirements.

It is not. the only ones besides a tank that need the accuracy cap are the melee dps. They cannot afford to lose a combo chain.

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1% is 1 critical hit out of 100 non-crits. That to me is a significant number. Of course I am also a person who plays games of chance, as such I can fully appreciate the facts and figures involved in this matter. The higher your percentile of Critical Hit Rating, the more critical hits out of every 100 attacks you will actually achieve. The closer you are to 99% the better your odds of getting a significant number of bloodletters. So excuse me if I want to optimize both my base damage and my critical hit rate. Your build is not optimized. It has been pointed out to me that my build wasn't optimized either, and I have since corrected that error.

Also, missing an attack as a DPS class means that you have missed one of your attacks per second. While you may not care about this as much, I come from the game Perfect World International where Attacks Per Second is vastly more important than Damage Per Second. So I personally prefer to optimize my chances of hitting my target as much as possible. The Bard may not have a positional requirement, but their optimal firing position is from the flank of the enemy.

If Crit were an RNG stat that didn't matter, then why is Bloodletter tied to the Crit Rate of your Damage over Time effects? Are you saying you could do just as much DPS without making use of the Bloodletter skill? Because that is what it sounds like you are claiming here.

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Originally Posted by Drakuaza

472 was the accuracy cap for bard in turn 5. 472 was perfect for t6. Following this trend, 491 is already for turn 9 for bard. t10 will need you to have 491 and T13 will eventually make you go for 515.

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There is absolutely no bloody way you can know that for certain.

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Originally Posted by Drakuaza

472 was the accuracy cap for bard in turn 5. 472 was perfect for t6. Following this trend, 491 is already for turn 9 for bard. t10 will need you to have 491 and T13 will eventually make you go for 515.

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I prefer to be prepared for attacking things from the front if need be. Lord knows if they'll throw us something like t4 again with the rooks or something like the bees in t6 that aren't garunteed flank/rear attack spots.

If I test a lower acc cap than 515 I can simply swap to black truffle risotto and swap the neck like you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

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FFXIV is a different game entirely. You can't go and compare FFXIV to another mmo. not even to 1.0.
Missing 1 hit in 100 is irrelevant when your other attacks are already doing more damage to cover it.

I am one of the bards in my fc with plenty turn 9 kills and all the gear at their disposal since 2.0 to run tests, which I have done since launch. to confirm such. Accuracy is pointless. Back in the day when people were saying everyone must have 485 accuracy for turn 5, I was already going in there with my elfin bow at 460 accuracy crushing any other bard in that fight.

Well to say its pointless is reaching too far, its important, but my point is, having 98% accuracy wont make the WORLD end.

It applies now as well.
One of the bards in my group, since we dual bard on t9 because we solo tank.

One runs det/crit with lower accuracy cap.

One runs with accuracy cap with skillspeed.

THe one with skillspeed comes always with the same numbers.

THe one with crit comes sometimes higher. or lower. CRIT is an RNG and must be prioritized after DET. Bard must reach a threshold of 500% crit to achieve 30% crit rate. anything over that is wasted and is better of spent on stats like determination.
Hence why the best in slot build going around that does not include the novus weapon for obvious reason, Novus will never beat HA.

Uses the HA pants over the Soldery pants, because with the pants, it manages to reach 499 crit which puts you at 29,9% crit rate.

The Crit/Det the bard with lower acc has, is affected by RNG with crit. not Accuracy.

That bard BARELY misses, 1 or 2 hits during the 10 minute fight. Yet the numbers vary a lot.

When you go crit you specifically have to acknowledge its RNG. If RNG favors you, it will destroy any other build. If it doesn't. Bards with other builds will come on top.

Most damage dealt as a Bard, comes from your DoTs and bloodletter procs. Heavy Shot does slightly more dps than Misery's End, Blunt Arrow & Repel shot.

Thats why skillspeed and critical are equally good as a substat. Skillspeed allows you to fire more heavy shots to make up for the lack of crit, Skillspeed is a real dps increase. so your damage across the board will be stable. Crit is a non-real damage added. Meaning, some fights you will come higher and others lower. Because you are relying on a number that does not increase your damage output permanentely.

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Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad

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I run t9 with 485 accuracy and I only have 1 or 2 misses during the entire 10 minute fight. And there are times when I attack from the front.




off topic: i have to keep editing my post so I can type past the post character limit and not flood with different replies.

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Originally Posted by Drakuaza

FFXIV is a different game entirely. You can't go and compare FFXIV to another mmo. not even to 1.0.
Missing 1 hit in 100 is irrelevant when your other attacks are already doing more damage to cover it.

I am one of the bards in my fc with plenty turn 9 kills and all the gear at their disposal since 2.0 to run tests, which I have done since launch. to confirm such. Accuracy is pointless. Back in the day when people were saying everyone must have 485 accuracy for turn 5, I was already going in there with my elfin bow at 460 accuracy crushing any other bard in that fight.
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Clearing t9 has nothing to do with mathing out the BIS pieces so it's largely irrelevant.

Excluding Accuracy Auroral Earrings and High Allagan Earrings have identical Dex, so we're really only looking at the second stats here 13 crit vs 19 skill speed. Current stat weights I believe are .315 for crit and .146 for skill speed making Auroral Clearly the better choice. The additional accuracy also allows us to drop acc elsewhere and still be over cap. Depending on what the Ramuh rings end up looking like after they hit i110 one of these two will most likely be the BIS.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTSI

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http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NTSJ

Comes down to composition of your group also, tp will be a issue if dps is slower than normal.