Caps and d-Level as they are now are redundant, as even with the caps, stats do next to nothing because of how strongly d-Level is weighed into an equation. It takes over 100 stat points to notice an effect on anything other than HP and MP, which is completely ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Physic
At the very least they should make d-Level not matter so much.
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07-26-2011, 06:46 PMSuzakuCMX
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07-26-2011, 07:01 PMPhysicthis is not really accurate, but dlevel does effect how much of the stats you see come through, so it seems when fighting really hard things your stats have no effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
let me put it like this, going from 20-100 strength youll prolly see a 30% increase in strength. so if you were doing 150 dmg to a monster 10 levels higher, with 80 strength yould be doing 210.
but if you look at dlevel effects, on a monster that was 99, youd be going from 9 dmg to 12 dmg, so it seems like you dmg hasnt gone up much, but you are outputing dmg at a steady 30% higher in either case.
In pure numbers though this means someone higher than you is going to do more dmg, and take less with the exact same stats, this was the case in ffxi as well, but the curve was a lot lower, it was more of linear effect, and i think it had upper and lower limits, but i forget the exact ffxi formulas.
dlevel is more about how people are going to fare versus monsters of different levels, stats is about how they fare on anything.
Its not really redundant, its dealing with two different issues. -
07-26-2011, 08:10 PMNixiusHmm I don't think SE have ever really commented that closely on how they will modify calculations and such... although I guess the recent enmity changes is somewhat of an exception. They usually give a broad statement, something like 'attribute restructuring' could well entail a lot of algorithm adjustments that they just haven't told us. After-all attributes are something we can directly see in the game whereas D-Level is a 'hidden' attribute used in calculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Physic
From what I can remember from FFXI (not that much now) they never really commented on any formulae even if it was spot on? Please do correct me if I am wrong I am intrigued if not =) -
07-26-2011, 08:57 PMRogue
They made it way too complicated
jus give mobs and PC fixed points based on their level and job and the whole problem dissapears, its been figured out since RPG's that were on the snes!!!!!!!!!!!!
a tank is allways going to want high vit, mrd high str, mage high mnd/int so what difference does it make being able to alot them?..
having points being allotable gives alot of variables that only bites them in the ass later when they come to ballancing
it will also take away the annoying fact you put all your points in vit when you change to your mages class's (or vice-versa) ><
i bet the current system took months if not years to just get past the design phase... and their still messing with it, possibly completely changing it!!
they could have made it much simpler and had it programmed and implemented in a month. -
07-26-2011, 09:22 PMFironGonna have to agree with suz here my when i increased my str from 50 to 90 on my pug post patch it did nothing still hit the same only thing that matters is what weapon you have equipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
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07-27-2011, 09:00 AMAkuun
Ha ha, I love these posts where no one knows the actual answer because they weren't there, and can't be bothered to research it.
The reason stats do jack right now, is because when they did, everyone was pumping stats to where you could kill pretty much anything.
Back at launch being under rank 20 and having 2k+ hp was the norm.
Tanaka didn't know how to fix it, so he basically removed it by gimping it to hell -
07-27-2011, 09:29 AMRydin
Q. Why do Attributes seem to have no effect?
A. Because you touch yourself at night.
Seriously though... Akuun is right, in the beginning stats mattered too much and Vit mattered and defense did very little...
SE "fixed" it in the November patch. It is the case of another overcompensation of the formulae -
07-27-2011, 09:54 AMAkuunWell yes, that's why my stats do nothing, but ya what I said for everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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07-27-2011, 11:10 AMScape
VIT is one of the stats that actually does work.
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07-27-2011, 11:17 AMAkuunAll stats actually work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scape
The reason people have been putting more value into Vit and Mnd is because of HP and MP that comes along with it.
But if you're a damage dealer you should only have around 100 vit and str for damage should be your main focus.
Well for melee, Int for mages and Pie for dotters/debuffers.
Tanks and Healers are the only ones that should be focused on Vit and Mnd respectively.