why so mean?

What would the world be like if all adults expected children and teenagers to know absolutely everything, and told them to just look up a wiki or google something for an hour without taking the time to teach them about life, love, or their job?

I think that for the most part people forget what it was like when they first started playing the game, either ARR or their first MMO. Just because you said something like "burn boss and kite adds" doesn't mean that the new player will understand what you mean, even if they had read something or watched a video. I try to do some research before a fight or dungeon, just so that I don't go in completely blind, but even with that and someone typing out instructions, it is hard when it hits the fan and everything is happening real time to remember everything. Last night I got into Garuda Ex for the first time. I knew the basic mechanics of the fight, but was so forcused on watching HP bars that I completely missed the spiny plume.

You can read, watch, and hear someone explain something until the cows come home, but until you actually do it yourself, and see how what you do affects the outcome, you will not be perfect. Once you've ran the dungeon a few times, you'll have no problem, because you'll know what comes next and where to stand/how to dodge/ what to attack.

Let me try and nip this in the butt before it spirals.

Please don't classify yourself as a "noob", that term was created with intentions of being a label for those who are terrible at the game and have no will to learn or become skilled at it. You are willing to learn and accept all advice given to you. That in itself puts you FAR above that label and I would gladly help you out if i met you in game.

My rule is this: If i see you arent doing the best, I will give you some advice to help you out. If you ignore it or simply don't try it then I will normally consider that person a lost cause and move on. If I see a sign of improvement or at least an acknowledgement that you are trying (a simple "Thanks for the advice" or "I will give that shot!" will do) then I will continue to help that player out until the end of the dungeon.

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Players are impatient in this game and, unfortunately, the game itself has contributed to that downfall. Most of the content in XIV can be completed in 20 minutes or less (even most Coil groups, as we see enrage timers on some floors) leaving an extremely large majority of the player base receiving rewards in a very quick turn around. I don't believe being rude to new players is acceptable, but unfortunately speed is a large factor in a players priorities considering how the content has been played out by the community.

Hope this helps lighten your reaction to those players and makes it less of a headache. See you around =)

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Originally Posted by Erendis

Why are you even in help newbie forums?

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Why are you being off-topic? I gave my perspective, and I gave a clarifying post to certain people who thought that one was inflammatory (it was not).

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Originally Posted by Caladius

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@ OP and other new players.

Please, please, please don't be discouraged by the players who choose to be mean/spiteful/verbally abusive.
They are by far a very small but extremely vocal minority of the players in FFXIV. If you do encounter such people, report them for harassment ASAP and blacklist them if you can. Those people deserve to be punished.

I urge you to always let your group know when you are new to a fight or dungeon. You can let them know if you did any research on the dungeon or fight at that point as well. It will do more good than harm as other players will be able to help you out.
Equally as important is to acknowledge when someone gives you a piece of advice. Remember, we cannot read your mind and we do not know if you heard us or if you understand what we're trying to say. Likewise, if you do not want that advice then just respectfully decline it.

It is also discouraging on the side of experienced players when we feel as if our efforts are dismissed because of a lack of communication.

As others have said, try to find a good linkshell or a good free company, one that fits you. Although at least one person from Famfrit seems to have responded to this tread and it has been a good response. ^_^
Personally, I play most of the time on Goblin server. If you ever find yourself on it feel free to add me to your friendlist. I am always willing to help newbie players out. ^^

I've played several mmo's over the years and even though there are some azzhats in this game FFXI and FFXIV have had the most helpful freindly people of any I've played. I'm mostly a solo player but this game has more nice peeps than any I've seen :)

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Because a lot of "noobs" don't listen to the advice given. So we've become jaded about giving wasted advice.

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I don't think that's true. While rude players are a minority, rude newcomers or those who won't try to take advice are such a minuscule minority it would be unlikely you'd ever meet two of them. The problem is that a lot of experienced players say things they may intend as "advice" but which are completely meaningless to an actual newcomer. If you give someone advanced high-level instructions when they're still trying to work out the most basic aspects of controlling their character, they aren't going to suddenly be able to play as though they've been playing MMOs for years and have run this specific content a hundred times. Too many players regard that inability to accumulate years of experience in a couple seconds as meaning the newcomer "doesn't listen", and then they get mad at being "ignored" by someone who never had a chance to do anything else.

Of course, part of the difficulty lies in the fact that the person giving the advice likely has no idea what experience level the newcomer is actually at. That same advice that's complete gibberish to one new player may be just the piece that another new player needs to bring together a lot of half-understood information. The result (from the advice-giver's perspective): One player was told this and got better, another player was told this and nothing changed. So clearly the one that didn't change must be ignoring me. It's taking the only pieces of information available and forming an erroneous conclusion from them.

My annoyances with noobs:
1) Most ask for something free. Money, bags, etc.
2) Before you spam chat for answers, search yourself.

These are just personal annoyances. I think you should earn things yourself. I will not turn down advice of something for free, but I will not ask for it either.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

The problem is that a lot of experienced players say things they may intend as "advice" but which are completely meaningless to an actual newcomer. If you give someone advanced high-level instructions when they're still trying to work out the most basic aspects of controlling their character, they aren't going to suddenly be able to play as though they've been playing MMOs for years and have run this specific content a hundred times. Too many players regard that inability to accumulate years of experience in a couple seconds as meaning the newcomer "doesn't listen", and then they get mad at being "ignored" by someone who never had a chance to do anything else.

Of course, part of the difficulty lies in the fact that the person giving the advice likely has no idea what experience level the newcomer is actually at. That same advice that's complete gibberish to one new player may be just the piece that another new player needs to bring together a lot of half-understood information. The result (from the advice-giver's perspective): One player was told this and got better, another player was told this and nothing changed. So clearly the one that didn't change must be ignoring me. It's taking the only pieces of information available and forming an erroneous conclusion from them.

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To give very specific examples: over the past few months I have seen dozens of Black Mages and Dragoons doing... very sub-optimal things in level 50 dungeons (Dragoons doing Full Thrust combo only, no Heavy Thrust; BLMs doing single-target rotation [sometimes using Fire 3 only] where AoE would be preferred). In full i90, or nearly full i100. These cannot be "new" players. They must have at least SOME semblance of how to play.

Almost verbatim I open with "Hey (name), not meaning to be rude but can I offer some advice? You should try (rotation). It will work better." They either say nothing or otherwise do not make any effort to reciprocate. I can recall maybe 1 in 50 cases where they actually took the advice and improved on the spot.

I wouldn't get upset with low level players unless they were exceptionally disruptive. But this, I don't think, is an unreasonable standard.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Almost verbatim I open with "Hey (name), not meaning to be rude but can I offer some advice? You should try (rotation). It will work better." They either say nothing or otherwise do not make any effort to reciprocate. I can recall maybe 1 in 50 cases where they actually took the advice and improved on the spot.

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Yes, that's just the sort of thing I mean. The advice may be useful, but players who can take such advice immediately and improve on the spot are extremely rare. Most players would have to take the advice and later after the dungeon is over re-check how the skills work together and try it out on some overworld mobs until they get the hang of it. Then maybe in their next run they'll be able to do better, but you won't see it in the run where you gave them the advice. Whenever you give advice, you should assume it's advice for how to do better on their next run. You should never expect immediate changes in a player's capabilities just because they've gotten some advice, even if the advice itself is good.

As to whether they say anything in reply, was the group stopped there long enough they'd have a chance to? I can't count the number of times I've started to type out a reply to something but then the group took off and I had to abandon that message to grab my controller so I could go with them.