So uh... what makes elite hunts different from a FATE then?

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Its not even close to the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Hate to tell yeah. That's not exclusion. That's called Choice and sacrifice.

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That is exclusion, you make players not able to participate of certain content because they play another. Don`t go arround white knighting please. This game isn`t made for everyone to do everything with everyone. And surely hunts shouldn`t be.

They sound kind of similar to Odin. Well Odin is a fate but you can't see his circle till you are at him. The same thing could be said about elite marks but they don't have circles at all. You don't know where they are until someone finds one and starts shouting for people to kill it.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

That is exclusion, you make players not able to participate of certain content because they play another. Don`t go arround white knighting please. This game isn`t made for everyone to do everything with everyone. And surely hunts shouldn`t be.

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Exclusion would mean that you couldn't play the content at all. Its a pretty simple definition and has nothing to do with "white-knighting". Unlike making a claiming system that would certainly exclude people from the hunt simply because of a claim system that would prevent them from killing and getting credit for a hunt.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Don`t go arround white knighting please.

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Stop using phrases you don't understand the meaning of, just because you don't like the response you get.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

That is exclusion, you make players not able to participate of certain content because they play another. Don`t go arround white knighting please. This game isn`t made for everyone to do everything with everyone. And surely hunts shouldn`t be.

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If you are part of a GC you can play front lines. Yes
Can you team up with friends outside of your GC, NO
Can you or they Change GC's. Yes.
Can you Then Play with your Friends. Yes.

It's not and Exclusion. It's a Choice. Frankly it doesn't matter. If I have a friend in my FC not part of our GC. They are in the wrong GC and
deserve me stabbing them in the face during Frontlines. This has nothing to do with the topic so start your own about how you feel excluded
because you chose the wrong GC.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

They are not in the Maelstrom and deserve me stabbing them in the face during Frontlines.

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Fixed that one for ya.

'TIl Sea Swallows All, fools!

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

Fixed that one for ya.

'TIl Sea Swallows All, fools!

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Ironic, that being their slogan yet they want to stop Leviathan. ¬_¬

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

Ironic, that being their slogan yet they want to stop Leviathan. ¬_¬

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'Til Sea Swallows all naturally!

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

Ironic, that being their slogan yet they want to stop Leviathan. ¬_¬

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lol its until the sea swallows all. Like Stick together until we all die :)
Of course we'll fight leviathan!

on topic, I hope the make elite marks pretty tough or have certain things
you have to do, or you'll die. Otherwise they may be zergy.

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

Aren't Odin and Behemoth supposed to be elder primals or something. And people are expecting simple monsters to require MORE skill than defeating a Primal?! Uh....... no problem here, I guess...? Now you have to ask yourself if FFXIV prides itself more on the lore (see SMN thread) or its players and keeping them happy. Honestly, I don't know. Anything more than a zergfest seems kind of farfetched.

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According to Yoshi-P the elite marks are meant to be monsters that pose a great threat to the realm, not some simple monster. I'm not sure if you're trying to say they shouldn't be more powerful than Odin/Behemoth or if you're simply saying it probably won't happen (which I agree with). Considering how easy Odin and Behemoth are however I will be very disappointed if they are not more difficult.

Personally I'm still hoping that some day we get an Odin Extreme or something but it doesn't really fit into lore now that it's been used in the FATE. Regardless however, if your argument is that they shouldn't be harder because Odin/Behemoth are easy then I would have to disagree and say that Odin/Behemoth should be harder as well. Right now both of those FATEs are an absolute joke and always have been.