Sleep related white mage question.

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Originally Posted by aerolol

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This.
As a tank, I don't care about Fluid Aura at all. After a few seconds mob will come back to me anyway.
But I HATE BLM/WHM who sleeps mobs.
Maybe some really bad PLD need it because they have aggro control issues, but any semi-decent WAR or PLD doesn't need sleep/repose on mobs.
It only makes dungeons last longer and become more boring.

I'm a healer too (WHM/SCH) and there is absolutely no dungeon where sleep is needed or that I have been any close to running out of MP.

If a healer needs sleep so he/she doesn't run out of MP, this healer is doing something wrong.

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At high levels, a WHM can just throw up medica 2 and spam Holy to really speed things up. But at low lvls, say toto-rak, there can be two mobs that do enough damage to tank where I just have to heal....wait....heal....wait...heal....

but if I sleep one, then I can just attack, attack, attack, attack, heal, switch, attack, attack

Sleep allows us to engage in the fight.

Some people also might think that Stoneskin is as useless as sleep. While it's true that you don't always need Stoneskin, a Free Hit is a Free Hit.

Sometimes the best heal is just a Cure, sometimes the best heal is to get rid of what is doing the hurting. Damage never done is as good as damage done that's cured.

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Originally Posted by aerolol

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I'm a healer too (WHM/SCH) and there is absolutely no dungeon where sleep is needed or that I have been any close to running out of MP.

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This is as good a place as any to point out that in a game where anyone can play any class at pretty much anytime, just saying that you play a class doesn't actually mean that you are any good at it, or that you know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Skander

The part about mobs not accumating aggro while under the sleep debuff... I'm not trying to argue that you're misinformed, but is there any documentation to support this? I've gotten a lot of conflicting info on this subject, and honestly, I'd make a lot more use of sleep were aggro from cures for the duration not actually an issue.

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It is true and easy to test with another person... have them hit an enemy once then sleep it and benediction them or whatever healing you want to do, it still won't gain hate on you. Sleeping enemies only build hate from actions performed on them.

Re: Sleep, it is useful in lower level dungeons if your party is on the lower end of the level cap and as someone has mentioned, less healing required by the healer means they can contribute more DPS as well. Also, depending on your party setup (particularly if you have a melee DPS) and the size of the enemy group it may be faster to focus one at a time instead of spamming AOEs.

i put stoneskin on tank at end of each pack of mob instead of the last hit , so i'm often free to stay in cleric stance ,so i can begin the next pack with dot's( wind2/earth2 eventually/wind1),then stoneskin/regen on tank( still in cleric stance) ,then swifcast/spam holy (watching my mana) .
Sure there are exeption but for 3 pack mob it's the way i like.
But in lower donjon where i don't have holy , sleep can be a good way too.(or not just switch cleric stance/dps cleric stance/heal etc )

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Originally Posted by EdenLost

That makes sense if you believe that WHM can't contribute except to be a heal bot.
Let's say tank is taking a group of 3 mobs. I know I can get some shots in between heals and speed things up. Then we have a large pull with say 5-6 mobs, then I have to just heal, because tank is taking so much damage. But if I can sleep 2 of them, then I can contribute to the damage and speed things up. Usually it's ruined by AoE's from bards or whatnot that do minimal damage and just serve to wake up sleepers, and put me out of damage mode again. It actually slows things down.

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If you honestly think you're dealing more damage between heals than a DPS using AoE, you are sadly mistaken. White Mages can contribute to DPS plenty, but they shouldn't need "Sleep" to do so. Any decent healer should be able to assess the situation and change modes accordingly, without crippling the other DPS in the party.

If you don't want to do your job as a healer, then you might want to change classes.

I have basically given up on sleeping because no one ever pays attention to it (anymore*). I should not have to tell the party every run I am going to sleep stuff.

* == When I started FFXIV back in SEP, even through till DEC or so people respected sleeping. Over the last 2-3 months no one pays attention for it. No one tags mobs. No one even uses common sense to attack the mob the tank is beating on if they didn't tag mobs.

Sleeping mobs brings almost no benefit to dungeon runs. It makes it harder to manage aggro and just slows down the run in general. If you have time to sleep it's better to put on clerics stance and either holy or throw out some dots and stone 2s.