Novus Weapon Cost

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I'm not SB'ing direct to the materia I need because the results are too random (elemental materia). The SB materia that I create is 100% in high demand - I use the proceeds to buy the ones that I need for Novus.

And yes, I blame SE for creating an environment that encourages gil buying while doing little to stop the practice.

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And I guess you don't realize that by keeping the gil prices up on the materia you sell, YOU are encouraging people to buy gil.
If there was no way of buying gil, there'd be no way you'd be able to charge the prices you do today.

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Originally Posted by Eight

HQ gear can also speed up the SB process and you can also equip bracelets that increase your spirit bond rate. I can agree that doing this solo will probably be enough to drive people mad but in a group it shouldn't be that hard to handle. Buying the materia will always be faster but really i don't see the point of finishing Novus so fast as the next phase probably isn't gonna be for awhile anyways.

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HQ gear melded with materia you don't need (elemental resist) + Spiritbond potion + gear that increase spiritbond + FATE party in Northern Thanalan == plenty of materia and chance of Alexandrites.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

And I guess you don't realize that by keeping the gil prices up on the materia you sell, YOU are encouraging people to buy gil.
If there was no way of buying gil, there'd be no way you'd be able to charge the prices you do today.

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If anyone is to blame for people buying gil, it should be the people buying the gil, not the people taking advantage of the one's that are breaking the rules.

You have to remember this quest is a Marathon not a Sprint, and more tailored to those who do not have the time to do higher-end content with an FC/LS. Think about it logically, for those that are doing The Second Coil right now you will get a better upgrade from Turn 4 (or 9). It's a faster more efficient way of grinding once you learn the fights and are able to farm them. Yes it may not have the stats you want, but more often then not people will have their main stat upgraded along with the weapon damage, which typically trumps any other stat you may have wanted from a lower level weapon.

In all honesty let's face it, the current Coil content is far easier to learn and farm then going through the hassle of upgrading your Relic weapon. Not that the Relic Weapon quest is hard, it's just mind boringly tedious. You will either be spending most of your nights Fate/Spiritbond Grinding, or wasting all of your hard earned gil on the materia you do need to upgrade your Relic Quest.

Personally for me, it's not worth it. I will have my Yagrush (upgraded Weathered Yagrush) very soon, and while the upgraded Relic will have better stats, it's not worth the time, effort, or gil for me to worry about. Will I eventually complete the quest? Sure, but sadly by the time I do complete the quest, I will already have the ilvl 115 weapon from Second Coil, and be awaiting for the next patch to bring out new content. Smarter thing probably would have been to grind for the Relic quest on my secondary class I play most often which is my Paladin, but alas, hindsight is 20/20.

I very highly doubt that anyone is expected to spiritbind for all 75 of the Materia they wish to use for their Novus. The economy exists for a reason.

Let's go over the Materia relevant to the Novus.

The Materia we can Actually Infuse(Most Important)
Critical Hit Rate
Determination
Skill Speed
Spell Speed
Piety
Accuracy
Parry

Uninfusible Materia that can still sell well
Strength
Dexterity
Vitality
Intelligence
Mind

Useless Materia
All Elemental Materia

Materia we should never get during this process
Gathering
Perception
GP
Craftsmanship
Control
CP

So, what's the idea here? Obviously, it's to spiritbind things. If you get a Materia you're looking to infuse, great! Stockpile it. If you get an infusable Materia that you don't plan to use, okay! Sell it. If you get an uninfusable, hope it's selling well and toss it up there. Whenever you have five of the useless Materia, attempt to transfuse it into a new Materia. It's another chance of getting something useful. Alternately(I don't know the market well enough to quantify this), the elemental materia might have actually gone up in price lately due to being able to bind materia to a piece of gear to hasten spiritbinding speed.

In theory, sufficient unluckiness with spiritbinding will give you enough money to just buy the materia you couldn't get. Meanwhile, you're providing others with the means of doing the same.

Something Else Worth Noting

Going all the way up through Tier IV Materia to completely max a stat is completely optional. If you're really strapped for cash, skip them and invest in an additional stat. If you're only slightly strapped for cash, infuse Tier IV's until the infusion chance is no longer 100%. Losing 7-11 off of your favorite stat will not be the end of the world; secondary stats hardly matter and they are especially negligible on weapons, where Weapon Damage trumps all other stats by such a huge margin. Besides, is there really a huge difference between 44/31 and 38/37, for instance? It would probably be the same number of infused IV's, but more, if not all, of them would be 100%. Investing in 3 stats might actually be beneficial for some classes as well, and that would make it effortless to avoid IV's.

CT spiritbonding is back \o/

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

You are insane. The time it would take to spiritbond and convert the correct tiers of 75 materia would take more than the rest of the entire Atma/Animus quest line put together.

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Yes, if you did it all yourself, but I think what most are doing is selling the types they don't need and using that gil to buy the ones they do.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaFhey

I've been getting a lot of shit for going into roulettes with gear I want to spiritbind. Honestly speaking it's by far the fastest way, so if you run into a spiritbinder don't give them shit, they're doing what the most efficient thing they can do. Blame SE if you dislike it.

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I haven't run into anyone like you in dungeons yet, but a couple FC-mates have and they were both fail runs due to the spirit tank that couldn't hold aggro or survive the big pulls they insisted on doing.

I spirit bond mainly while doing beast dailies (also grabbing any fates I find hoping for an Alexandrite drop, though they remain as ellusive as snarks).

I make 300k+ a day crafting. I'll just buy my materia as I need them. It's going to be all right :)

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I haven't run into anyone like you in dungeons yet, but a couple FC-mates have and they were both fail runs due to the spirit tank that couldn't hold aggro or survive the big pulls they insisted on doing.

I spirit bond mainly while doing beast dailies (also grabbing any fates I find hoping for an Alexandrite drop, though they remain as ellusive as snarks).

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Was it that tank that insisted on big pulls or your FC-mates?
If FC-mates, they're the ones at fault for the wipes.
While I hate spiritbonders in duties myself, I don't say anything as long as they do their job.

They could have ended up with a tank that barely was able to enter iLevel wise too. Such a tank wouldn't hold aggro against dps that vastly outgear the tank in that case, which means the dps have to learn to hold back when necessary too.