Relic quest summary -> Good by to casuals

I wish people would stop calling these new relics casual. Just because I could maybe get the weapon by 2016 without having to do anything hard doesn't make it casual friendly. As someone who still hasn't gotten a single atma, along with SE piling more ridiculous grind on top, and taking a hard stance of "we're not going to make atma any easier in the foreseeable future", this feels to me like the most elitist weapon in the game. It's only for people with hardcore playtime. It's like not being able to cap soldiery, I'm constantly getting pushed further and further behind everyone else.

Leviathan weapons are the new casual weapon. SE is going to give me free access to the EX fight. They'll probably add echo to the fight before I could reasonably acquire an animus.

Wait, what? The relics are for the non-raiders. Why does the FF community think the definition of "hardcore" is simply "someone who spends lots of time online?" This place Is weird.

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Originally Posted by Priya

Wait, what? The relics are for the non-raiders. Why does the FF community think the definition of "hardcore" is simply "someone who spends lots of time online?" This place Is weird.

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You have a point, because it really is casual when I think about it in that way. Just because a lot of the hardcore activities due tend to take forever, I think some others and myself tend to just associate the two together. Again, with another FFXI comparison, getting the Lu Shang's Fishing Rod required catching 10,000 moat carp which took me months to accomplish. Even though the task involved was easy and it was a solo thing that could be done at your own pace, I just still have a hard time labeling the goal itself as casual.

I think we need to change the word from hardcore to "dedicated". I think that words describes the relics better than "hardcore". Lu Shang's rod would be another good example of dedication. The task was easy to do (casual), but it took a lot of time (hardcore).

I mean think about it. Getting a relic in ARR is "easy" it just requires a lot of your time to finish. So to say someone is more dedicated than others to complete a relic would be the better term.

It's a massive grind in the same way any Korean MMO or other Asian grind game is a massive grind.

Not casual. Not skill based. Grind based.

Stop blaming casual. Stop blaming hard cores. This is just your generic Asian grind design. It's cheap, easy, mindless, and milks subs.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

I think we need to change the word from hardcore to "dedicated". I think that words describes the relics better than "hardcore". Lu Shang's rod would be another good example of dedication. The task was easy to do (casual), but it took a lot of time (hardcore).

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Yes, yes... dedication! That clears it up!

People don't seem to remember how things were in 2.0. A little reminder:
- "Selling Titan HM for all the gil you have fellow new player"
- "Titan HM party LFM be at least full DL"
- "Titan is too hard to kill because 90% of the server is useless and die"
- "Titan is too hard to down because lag"
- "Anyone willing to carry me through titan?"

There were a lot of complaints about the difficulty that the "A Relic Reborn" quest had. The feedback SE took from that was "the lower skillset way of getting a high level weapon is not as low, since a lot of players have issues beating the fights". Completing the new relic quests are not a way of saying "I'm so good at this game lolol L2P git gud" (There is high allagan for these matters). The quests are long because the feedback basically asked for it and to balance it with the higher skillset way of getting weapons (Source: Interview with Yoshi-P, he mentions why the Zodiac weapons are the way they are amongst other things here).

Just an observation, but the legendary weapons in FF games were never really meant for the casual players. They were content added for people who wanted to invest an enormous amount of time in obtaining them, but had the potential to be game changing if you did obtain them. They are also totally optional content and aren't required to clear any content.

They said in the most revent live letter they have this planned out far into the future, and consider that we are currently capped at level 50 of a potential 99. Novus is probably about the equivalent of stage 1 relic in XI. Expect these upgrades to require years of time investment when we get to 99 cap. If they are done right investing that time will provide a significant final reward. I believe this content was added with the understanding that few players will finish them all the way.

Legendary weapons with a difficult path to acquisition were also requested by a lot of people in 1.0. I was one of them, and at the time I made the request understanding that I might never finish one.

I'd like to point out that the 1st step can be done within a few hours of hitting 50 and picking up the quest.

I play umpteen bajillion hours per day (or something) and spend most of my time chatting or helping new people in my FC. I am not too big on fighting primals or the RNG monster (when I do farm Atma, within 5 mins my FC chat is filled with "FJIYUPW9HUFJTJRGN!!! WTH IS THISSS OMG MY BRAIN IS DRIBBLING OUT MY EARRRRRS!! MY SOUL JUST LEFT MY BODY!!!! D: ) (My FC finds it amusing to suggest I go work on getting Atma cause I QQ.) Am I casual or not?

I think most of the bad feelings about this comes from the pressure to have only the best gear. We all KNOW the PF is full of "must have blahblah weapon or you can't go" and that anyone we meet in game may say "omg zenith, nooob, uninstall, lol." >< If that pressure wasn't there, would we feel nearly as bad about it taking forev...a while... to get the atma/animus/novus/whatever?