Brayflox HM - All sorts of Chaos

I just no longer run brayflox hm. I ran it yesterday to help a friend and we wiped when tank pulled to post bridge and I sort of lagged behind and he immediately quit. Don't think I'm going there any time soon :/ I'm not that good at speed running and chances of failures and drama are too high for my taste.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Well, I've done both. But, the three main tanks I run these with are warriors. I actually prefer warriors. Basically, here's what I do as we're running and almost arriving at where the tank will stop.

Have Eos cast her 20% buff right away. Then Adlo the tank, which crits a lot of the time. Immediately into the Rouse/Whispering Dawn macro, which is really only a second of your cast time, the rest is Eos. After you are done with the Rouse animation, you often have to Leech it up to remove paralyze OR do another Adlo or Physick depending on how much damage the tank has taken. I never use Sacred Soil, as I feel Lustrate is way too important to use an Aetherflow on. I'll throw some Succors too, if the dps are taking some damage. It works extremely well for me.

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Thanks for the tips.
I'll try and do that then. c: I dunno why I always struggle with Warriors.
Not trying to bash them or anything but since they lack in defense I feel like I need to rush my way to help them or they die lol.

@Ghishlian: Thanks for the post. That's what I'm talking about, I think I've had misunderstandings since I do mean...they take the ENTIRE
zone/area with no breaks. I don't need super small pulls but to where you said is perfect.

Again, people should really just ask for the sake of the healers. The moment we fail the first super omega pull, people quit.
I even asked if we can do smallish pulls, a stupid BLM says "No bigger pulls." You're not a healer asshole, don't tell him what to do LOL.
God, I hate people like that. Assuming we're all perfect in Speedruns, and I'm not good at it at all. I get pressured or nervous and I know how you feel AiChyan.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I'm not entirely sure that's accurate. Several groups who pulled up the ramp with me as healer found themselves dodging the AoE from the cannon the whole time, right outside the boss room. I believe a key mob needs to be slain before the boss leaves you alone properly, otherwise you'll be dancing around them right up until the boss.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I think it depends on how far back you pull them. I haven't had a need to dodge any cannon fire when my tank pulls them past the ramp and just around the corner on the right before the river. If you stop just at the top of the ramp, I believe you're "still in range" of the cannon.

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What he said ^

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Originally Posted by Ketch

Funny how it is in this post to. Already a debate on the most efficient ways to speed run. Most efficient Jobs and skills. Most efficient people.

.... and this isn't even duty finder.

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I think it's important for people to understand what is involved with a speed run so they know what to expect when it's "thrust upon them" (though it is best if its not).

Likewise, it's important for the party as a whole to understand the limitations of their group based on the initial assessment of gear. If you're an i55 PLD where I as a WHM have as much HP as you do, please, for the love of cookies and Miqo'te everywhere, DO NOT DO A SPEED PULL. -.-

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Originally Posted by Luxx

@Ghishlian: Thanks for the post. That's what I'm talking about, I think I've had misunderstandings since I do mean...they take the ENTIRE
zone/area with no breaks. I don't need super small pulls but to where you said is perfect.

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Here's something I posted on the healer forum a while going into a bit more detail about my steps / actions of a WHM doing SR Myhtflox runs. You can probably apply some of these methodologies to SCH to help ease up the difficulty. It's a bit disorganized compared to the other post in this thread, but I think you can get the gist of it reading it. I hope you find it useful :)

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Originally Posted by Luxx

Thanks for the tips.
I'll try and do that then. c: I dunno why I always struggle with Warriors.
Not trying to bash them or anything but since they lack in defense I feel like I need to rush my way to help them or they die lol.

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No problem, let me know if it works better for you.

The other thing I should ask, is do you have your Embrace and Physick macro'd together? This is a must IMO. One cast and I can heal anywhere from 1,700-2,100.

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Originally Posted by Ketch

Funny how it is in this post to. Already a debate on the most efficient ways to speed run. Most efficient Jobs and skills. Most efficient people.

.... and this isn't even duty finder.

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It is funny. And it is already chaos in the forums here when people have all day to discuss it.

I got a iLevel82 SCH and an iLevel79 PLD and do Brayflox HM on the Duty Finder or Duty Roulette. Imagine trying to figure all this out with people who don't say much but get mad and rage quits.

I am fine with plodding thru it as well as running it faster. I know am not geared to do beat the world class time for SR on Brayflox, but I've pulled to the log or the bottom of the bridge as my PLD and had many groups do that just fine. I've healed full pulls up to top of the bridge with a warrior in iLevel100 gear who knew what to do, and DPS that were on board too. I've also did 4 or less mobs at a time as SCH or PLD seeing that either tanks, dps, and/or healers are at lower gear level and everyone was happy, but every time when it worked well people were communicating.

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Originally Posted by Foo01

I am fine with plodding thru it as well as running it faster. I know am not geared to do beat the world class time for SR on Brayflox, but I've pulled to the log or the bottom of the bridge as my PLD and had many groups do that just fine. I've healed full pulls up to top of the bridge with a warrior in iLevel100 gear who knew what to do, and DPS that were on board too. I've also did 4 or less mobs at a time as SCH or PLD seeing that either tanks, dps, and/or healers are at lower gear level and everyone was happy, but every time when it worked well people were communicating.

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That's the important bit there. Don't let one or two bad apples spoil the overall experience for you. I have also personally been fortunate enough not to have been kicked from a 3-man pre-made SR and also fortunate in the sense that I haven't had anyone rage quit on me during Brayflox HM, though there are some times I look at what a tank is doing and go "Why!!! @.@!!!!!!"

For those that make the overall experience more toxic for individuals and a community as a whole, I believe in karma. That is all :)

Yes endgame is where the fun begins ^^ said yoshida..

As a Tank, I even have to ask before moving if their intent is soldiery and a complete run. I don't move until I get both yes (I play with my GF when we are not with a full FC party)

I stick to the bone, I welcome communication. I will state how many I will pull, and if Healer say I can pull more, I will.

I ask for a complete run (colibris, raptors before 2nd boss, all chest opened) or if we skip and even do some lockout.

Sometimes it's long, but I receive answers. DPS generally are like: whatever suits you.

Sorry that you guys had bad times, and expect that more there is to come, the further in the game we'll be with new patches and harder content, the harsher it will be, sadly.

And OP - it should have the shortest queue because of speed runners and animus weapons that needs a load of Myth Tomes. So lots are getting into this one, versus the awesome Halatali (PvP through NPC), which I find very nice ^^

City of amdapor is beautiful, but takes too long once completed, that's why you will see lots leaving as soon as they get it in DR.

DPS pays for this.. >.<

Can't wait next dungeon: once you start, you will be teleported at the last boss. ;)

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

This is why outside of the expert roulette I NEVER run Bray HM

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With friends or FC, it's actually quite ok ^^

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Originally Posted by TiyaKelth

While I believe you that most don't pull to the top, the reason many do (myself included), is that you don't have to deal with the bomb aoe's if you pull up to near the stream.

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Yesterday night, doing the same pull at the same place, we got the Aoe? Hope it was just a one-time occurence..