Limit Break Question.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Ifrit Hm for sure is more of a must to have blm lb the nail phase, as 3 bars can wipe all of them or close to it and melee lb would be well, pointless.

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Uhm no. Even back before people outgeared Ifrit HM, it was never required to have a BLM/SMN LB the nails. People just find it easier/less prone to error and made up the requirements just like the "omg no PLD tanks, rage quit". Melee can LB3 one nail, killing it, while the other DPS take down 2 getting the LB back to 2 bars, LB the last nail while the other DPS take it down.

Umm why?
One blm lb and done
Face the facts, blm for Ifrit hm nail phase is prefered, not needed but prefered
why spend more time then needed?
Melee lb is best suited for SINGLE targets
Perhaps you still do the method you mention above, but sorta silly

The point he's making is that it's merely nice, not required to have.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Face the facts, blm for Ifrit hm nail phase is prefered, not needed but prefered

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Preferred is different from must.

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Originally Posted by Maero

why spend more time then needed?

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So people don't join DF on it and quit cause there is no caster LB? I don't do Ifrit HM nowadays since I have all relic unless I'm bored and see a random PF needs help or my FC needs help but while it's true that Melee LB is best suited for single target doesn't disprove its usefulness in Ifrit HM's nail situation. Just like with a good party, you can use caster LB on Ifrit EX and blow up half the room worth of small nails and still be fine. Or never mage LB the spumes/adds in Leviathan/Titan EX at all, DPS down the spumes/adds normally and LB3 Leviathan/Titan.
The point is there are more than one way a LB can help a party.

well i have seen people quit because of it while is was Bard, so yes.
I understand your point and perhaps i should of worded it as prefered instead.
Personally when i know members just start their relic quest i bring in my blm for that reason alone.
blm's lb is useful for only certain situations sadly which is a bummer, so have to take them when we can
Sad that Se never gave much thought in having more aoe lb situations, rather then always melee

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Originally Posted by Maero

Sad that Se never gave much thought in having more aoe lb situations, rather then always melee

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There are plenty of situations where AOE LB is better than melee or comparable. Examples:
_ Ifrit HM nail like you mentioned. Ifrit EX nails if the party knows what they're doing. You can't say having an AOE LB dropping on multiple nails killing them instantly is not better than melee LB killing a single nail in the middle.
_ Garuda HM/EX both have usage for AOE LB when Garuda and both Sisters will take damage from it. The key to it is timing. I can drop a Meteor damaging Garuda and bring both sisters low on Garuda EX without touching the Spiny. You can't argue that is not better than Melee LB Garuda.
_ Titan HM sure doesn't have any but to this date, many people still LB the second group of adds on Titan EX even though the only drawback is the blinding effect.
_ Leviathan EX's second set of spumes. Most slow/inexperienced DPS parties rely on the AOE LB dead center to bring the 4 spumes down low so they have more time to dodge without worrying about them.
_ Moogle EX: instead of killing all moogles and LB the king, you can AOE LB the moogles that are close together, kill the others and burn the king down.
_ Coil turn 4: you can hit both dreadnaughts and the spinner rook if you aim it at the right time or 2 sets of knights/soldiers and spiders depending on how you're doing it.
_ Coil turn 5: AOE LB the snakes is undeniably the most common way LB is used in that phase.
_ Coil turn 6: You can AOE LB the slugs when they come out, burn boss and with enough DPS, boss would be dead before Honey blows up.
_ Coil turn 8: You can AOE LB the 5th set of tower dreadnaught and the boss. The dreadnaught have 30k HP so a LB won't kill it.
Melee LB3 has potency of 9000 while AOE LB3 has potency of 5400 so any time you hit 2 targets, you're already doing more damage. It just happens that 5400 potency does more damage than most non-boss target's HP so the overdamage is wasted resulting in needing more targets to do the same effective damage. There are plenty of opportunities to use AOE LB, unlike tank or healer LB, which if you need it, you're most likely wiping. Now go complain about that.

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Originally Posted by subteraneanbird

I've also cleared every single one of those without the caster LB and down a person so whatever.

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I never said it's impossible without AOE LB. It's just cases where AOE LB can be useful.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Titan HM sure doesn't have any but to this date, many people still LB the second group of adds on Titan EX even though the only drawback is the blinding effect.

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Interesting, every group I've been with up to now has always LBed the first set of adds (with LB2) and then a second LB(1) for the second set of adds.

LB3 would probably kill them instantly, but I'm used to LBing them before the landslide... so the blinding effect could be devastating. Still. Interesting.

I've seen people quit Ifrit HM because of no caster.

I've also cleared every single one of those without the caster LB and down a person so whatever.

Another newbie question as a follow up - what's the difference between the multiple bars for the LB? I noticed there are anywhere between one and three bars that get filled up to the yellow color.

If you have 2 or 3 melee DPS in your Ifrit HM party, you can easily kill all the nails without using any LB. There's more time than most people think. Unfortunately most people see nails and that basic human instinct kicks in with "have to kill ASAP" which prevents them from utilizing the full duration of the phase.