"It's not Brayflox, so I quit." - The DR Quitters Issue

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Originally Posted by Jas710

My suggestion was that people would still be receiving their bonuses, just not in a roulette format. And since there is a tendency for people to gravitate towards what's the fastest and easiest path, would that not in turn increase the frequency of high level folks hitting the lower level dungeons where it might be more needed for incoming players?

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

My preference would be removing the "roulette" part. Let people pick which bonus dungeons they want to do. Some will be more popular than others, sure - but that will fix the issue of people leaving just because it's content they don't want to (or maybe even can't) do. It would be nice to see the amount of players required for instances too, so people can choose to go somewhere where they would be most useful.
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Neither of these would work unfortunately. The point of duty roulette is to make sure content that is not current is still being run for people catching up. If you removed it and baked rewards into choosing a low level dungeon, everyone would gravitate to the fastest one which completely negates the point of duty roulette in the first place. Dungeons like Tam Tara would have insanely long queue times because nobody ever wants to do them.

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Originally Posted by Taika

They should just remove the bonus if you leave the dungeon you've gotten on first try. This would solve the issue (alongside with fixing the leaving-during-cutscene issue).

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This is what will actually solve the problem.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Maybe SE does not do this because you punish players who have a disc, loading error or smth not in their control.

However, noone but SE might be able to somehow weigh both cases against each other..

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Yes, this is only a solution if it only works if you hit "Leave", BUT it isn't a solution at all because then people just force DC so you kick them or abandon the dungeon instead and you CAN'T in that situation forfeit the player's roulette bonus because the game has NO WAY to know if it was a force DC or a genuine DC. Of course they can always just afk and make you vote kick them and I wouldn't want to forfeit a roulette for a vote kick either because it's too easy to screw an innocent person who maybe got screwed by a team of speedrunners. A start to a solution is to fix the bug that allows you to jump ship at the very beginning and not get the 30 min penalty. I would accept a 30 min penalty on the rare occasion I get DCed loading in if it meant stopping the idiots.

It happens in low level dungeons as well. I was doing low level roulette on an alt and got regular Halatali. Tank left before the rest of us even got out of the cutscene. Luckily my alt was on arcanist so I summoned topaz Carbuncle and we got past the first boss and were close to the second when another tank popped in. Tank was probably trying to get a specific dungeon for an ATMA book.

I know, you never know if it was a DC or really something happened that needed the players immediate attention so he had to go. But what should be done is to start monitoring abandoning behaviour. It must be possible to track how often somebody hits the abandon button after a dungeon has started or is about to start (at least one in the group is still watching a cutscene).

If it happens more than 2 times per day, display a warning that the next abandon leads to a penalty. And it should be higher than 30 minutes. How about 30 minutes for first bailing, then double it for the second time and so on and reset once per week. Additonally, after the 2nd time the Roulette bonus should be scratched for the day.

Oh and I wouldn't mind if Tanks have double penalty time. They get pampered with bonusses a lot but still it is the class that causes most trouble to other players because they know they get a new group in a heart beat and always have their finger on the abandon button very quickly.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

Oh and I wouldn't mind if Tanks have double penalty time. They get pampered with bonusses a lot but still it is the class that causes most trouble to other players because they know they get a new group in a heart beat and always have their finger on the abandon button very quickly.

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Then I hope you like to wait for an even longer queue, considering how few people play tanks according to the devs.

Wouldnt mind seeing them lock your roulette each day to whichever you roll until you finish it. Roll Pharos and leave? You will continue to get it until daily reset, or completion.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Wouldnt mind seeing them lock your roulette each day to whichever you roll until you finish it. Roll Pharos and leave? You will continue to get it until daily reset, or completion.

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Nice and simple, good idea!

add a stat to character windows, dungeons joined/dungeons completed
pangya/albatross18 an old golf game i used to play had a similar thing where people making a party had an option saying people with over 10%, 20% or 30% quitrates wouldn't be able to join, so if people messed up on a hole 15 minutes before the end they'd carry on to keep their quit% down

The reason why people quit DF roulettes is because they can. It is NOT tied to how fast you load in the dungeon. It is entirely tied to having the "Join In Progress" checkbox checked. If the box isn't checked, you'll get the penalty no matter how fast you can quit the duty.

I reported it as a bug, but apparently the forum community reps thought it was a "feature request" and moved it to the "Website Feedback & Suggestions" thread.

Here's the post where I describe the bug:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ut-30m-Penalty

At some level, SE is aware of the problem.

My retaliation against Brayflox HM Duty Finder Speedrunners is to queue in as a Tank and explicitly not speedrun it. I'll usually speed things up if the rest of the party asks nicely, but any hostility toward me going at a "regular" speed makes me want to full clear the dungeon and get every chest. And, of course, any DPS who pulls something on purpose obviously wants to be the Tank instead so I wouldn't want to take that away from them.

Not every party mentions it or even complains, but I have noticed that I almost never get commendations for tanking Brayflox ;)