XI vs XIV Lore - similarities and differences

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Originally Posted by Teslo

If Eorzea and Vana'diel are the same places at different time periods,

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I've been wondering if Eorzea might not be a sort of SE nexus...OH GODS WE'RE IN KINGDOM HEARTS!

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Well... for one thing, the Shantoto (XI cross over) event kinda tell in a way that Eorzea & Vana'diel might be connected somehow, and XIV current time might be distant future of XI timeline. Would explain why there's many mobs design from XI were intact in XI. Heck... even Gigas, Sahagins from XI's Zilart expansion and Mamool Ja from Aht Urhgan expansion also exist in Eorzea. And let's not forget about the goblins & qiqirns who were usually found in cities doing their usual trading stuff.

We do even get treated with taste of XI's latest expansion which the existance of White Lion as PLD mount achievement.

Which makes me wonder, atm XI already has 2 crossover pair (that's XIV & DQX) events while XIV still has one. Wonder if SE will make another of this happening again in the future...

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*sighs* Not this again. Hydaelyn and Vana'diel are two totally different worlds - they're not the same world in different time periods, same as Hydaelyn is not FFIII's world, FFIV's world, FFVII's Planet, Ivalice from FFXII/Tactics, Gran Pulse/Coccoon from FFXIII or any other FF world. It has references to all these worlds, yes, but that's just fan service - Yoshi-P stated he wanted to make ARR reference all the FF games that proceeded it, but that doesn't mean it's a 'hub' world either.

And besides, officially SE stated this in an answer to a question in one of the Live Letters and said that Hydaelyn is not any other FF world in a different time period (specifically they were talking about FFXII's Ivalice, but it also counts towards any other FF world as well), found here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1963619

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Q55: There are a lot of names from Ivalice such as Dalmasca, Belias, and Zodiak that have been mentioned, is there some connection between Hydaelyn and Ivalice?

A55: To be absolutely clear, there is no connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice. Likewise there is no connection with FFXI’s Vana’diel. Each are their own individual world. Based on this, there are connections between the things that appear in the world, and we’ll be revealing more in the future.

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So yeah, that's pretty conclusive that the Hydaelyn=Vana'diel idea is completely false.

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Originally Posted by SorriorDragneel

~~~I didn't see much rape..Where is all of it?

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I'd just like to add that one rape is too much. The less of "much rape", and "all of it" the better.

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Originally Posted by AspectOfWinter

I never played XI, but I know that a lot of people in this game's community have.

How similar are the cities and races of XI to XIV's in terms of general attitude, strengths and weaknesses? For instance is Ul'dah pretty much a carbon copy of Bastok? Are the Elvaan pretty much a combination of the Wildwood Elezen and the Ishgardians?

Also, is XI's setting just as dark as, if not more so, than XIV's? Does it share the same kind of "British" feel, complete with all the slang swear words, as Eorzea?

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Interest, FFXIV doesn't feel British to me.

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Needless to say, my observations from 2010 about Eorzea will have to be adjusted. :p I'll post them a little later.

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I agree, you do need to adjust your observations because Eorzea had to deal with 6 umbral eras at the start of FFXIV and 7 Umbral eras at the start of FFXIV ARR 1.0. After each Umbral era there is a calm kind of like how things are after each Sin dies in FFX. Which is why right now the world seems so untapped and just started because after each Era the world is basically renewed/tranformed which is called the Astral era.

"The Eorzeans believe the land is always shifting from periods of abundance followed by catastrophes that bring scarcity, and sometimes destroy entire civilizations. These periods are known as the Astral (abundance) and Umbral (scarcity) eras. "
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Umbral_Era

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Originally Posted by Sanadaiyeve

I'd just like to add that one rape is too much. The less of "much rape", and "all of it" the better.

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Soooo whitewash a fantasy setting in a medieval esque world? Gotcha no horrors in fantasy.. And i apologize for being insensitive but i am getting tired of all this political correctness.

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Originally Posted by Teslo

If Eorzea and Vana'diel are the same places at different time periods, I would think that Eorzea is far in Vana'diels past. Primarily owing to the lack of crags and other similar Zilart structures. There are other things you can look at to draw this conclusion. The ant mobs look like devolved Antica. The northern areas (North shore of Batallia, Sauromugue, and Qufim island) all have a blackened, crystallized look to them, as if some giant magical explosion occurred in the northern region. We don't see that anywhere in Eorzea. (I always wanted to know what caused this...) But if they're happening on the same planet, they're obviously continents that are so far apart that they have no contact with each-other. So much so that the guardian Avatars of Vana'diel are instead vicious Primals in Eorzea. No, I think they might have some kind of relationship, but they're not the same world, past or future.

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Parallel/alternative universes/different dimension maybe. Didn't Shantotto travel to an alternate universe and I it odd that they chose her for the crossover event. Coincidence maybe or maybe not.

Hmm, maybe Eorzia will turn out to be at some kind of center point of the void, at an equal distance from all the other FF dimensions (Err, dimensions, distance... I don't think those things go together in most fiction. >_<) Hence why it seems to have more connections/references to other worlds, it has more literal connections to pull them in from... Or maybe it's three in the morning and this will seem like a really bad idea once I get some sleep lol.

I really like the idea that the Final Fantasy Universe is connected. Sure, this may not be the world of any other Final Fantasy, but it has been shown that travel between the worlds is possible. We had Lightning show up, and then Shantotto. I'm sure that when FFXV is ready to release, we'll get an event where Noct shows up, but who knows. I think just because the devs say that its not the same world as Ivalice, or Vanadiel, doesn't mean that there aren't ways of getting to or from them.

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Originally Posted by Teslo

The northern areas (North shore of Batallia, Sauromugue, and Qufim island) all have a blackened, crystallized look to them, as if some giant magical explosion occurred in the northern region. We don't see that anywhere in Eorzea. (I always wanted to know what caused this...)

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I was under the impression that the blacked areas were caused by the Cataclysm that ended the reign of the Zilart that also froze Xarcabard and Beaucedine Glacier. That explosion also mutated the animals of the land to make the angry critters that want to tear our throats out most of the time...