Daystar set and your piety.

Turn 8 puts some serious strain on your MP because of the length of the fight and the intensity of the damage, so even a SCH will appreciate piety on that turn (almost all of the other stuff in the game is easily healable without dropping below 70% MP on a SCH though). However, you also have to consider that the increased stats on the Daystar mean that you won't have to heal as much because your heals are stronger and critting more frequently.

Piety is in a bit of a weird spot because of how it scales. Your in-combat mana regeneration is a percentage of your total MP, so as you stack more piety not only are you making your MP pool bigger, you're regenerating it faster too. But spell costs remain the same (and will remain the same until a level cap increase), so if they just keep adding more and more piety on gear with every raid tier MP management will be a complete non-issue because your passive regeneration will outpace most of your heal cost.

I think the way they're going about it is the right way. Make your heals stronger so you don't need to use more expensive spells as frequently, but don't let piety get so crazy that you have no reason to worry about MP.

Nice info, thank you, now I see it in a different way =)

If you run out of mana you probably don't understand that spamming heals accomplishes very little, versus well timed heals.
Also your probably afraid to let medica 2 tick people to full and cast too many medica 1s, when 99.9% of the time you know when the next aoe is coming (unless you don't pay attention and have low awareness of fights).
Even the first half of turn 9 I', just find myself spamming aeros and stone 2 in boredom attempting to not miss (and the miss % is crazy high), because all the damage is reliably timed, and I know I am going have full mana by the end of the first or second add phase.

Only thing more useless for a WHM is crit.

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Originally Posted by Staris

If you run out of mana you probably don't understand that spamming heals accomplishes very little, versus well timed heals.
Also your probably afraid to let medica 2 tick people to full and cast too many medica 1s, when 99.9% of the time you know when the next aoe is coming (unless you don't pay attention and have low awareness of fights).
Even the first half of turn 9 I', just find myself spamming aeros and stone 2 in boredom attempting to not miss (and the miss % is crazy high), because all the damage is reliably timed, and I know I am going have full mana by the end of the first or second add phase.

Only thing more useless for a WHM is crit.

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I disagree, for three reasons:

1) Piety is best on progression, when people die, or you AREN'T used to the fight and don't know how much or how fast you'll need to heal, or people stand in bad.
2) If you truly don't need piety, you should take crit over it, because hey, extra dps when your spells DO hit the boss.
3) Secondary stats in this game are all near useless and it really doesn't matter what you take.

Given 550 mind, 77 weapon damage, and assuming you hit a divine sealed Cure 2 onto a mantraed warrior in defiance with Convalescence up, your Cure 2s will hit for ~3900 at 350 determination. At 450 determination, and the same stats? That Cure 2 will hit for ~4000. Underwhelming, and that's in near optimal conditions. Spell Speed isn't great, because as Staris said, you should be timing your heals and not just blasting away, and the returns on it are horrendous as well. Crit actually gives about 30% more return per point than determination (and because of the way the stats are weighted, you get far more crit than you do det to boot), but the base crit rate is really low, so you can't bring it up to anything resembling reliability, and even if you could, introducing chances for the RNG to mess with you is a bad idea. Piety isn't necessary, but I feel the opportunity to make up for poor spell selection or extra raid damage taken is useful.

TLDR: the only secondary stat you should focus on stacking if possible? Accuracy. Missing sucks.

there's the list of the drop in t6+ :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=182031962

Actually i've got 3 of the news weathered stuff and loose 28 in piety, but no seems to make difference in my mana management , it's cool

The reason for this is simple, many healers find the extra piety to be useless. Usually these are the healers who know how to manage their MP, run with with people who are familiar with the fight, and/or are themselves familiar with the fight. This no PIETY set gives you that extra option to ignore piety. Does this mean that to get their optimal gear people have to mix and match? Yes, but people were doing that before the Daystar set anyways. You are probably one of the very few who has a serious issue with mixing sets so you will just have to deal with it.

Yes, the lack of Spell Speed or Determination on many of the Daystar pieces is unsightly but it will hardly make or break.

im wondering if some healers are respecting there 30 points to piety because of this. anyone know?

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im wondering if some healers are respecting there 30 points to piety because of this. anyone know?

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Nobody respecs 30 Piety, it's pointless. Piety is only slightly better than Spell Speed as far as secondary stats go and even then that's only because Spell Speed is laughably terrible (from a SCH perspective)

Stats, like skills, are not immune to balancing in patches. If a particular stat is laughably terrible right now, expect it to receive huge buffs in the future.

The ultimate goal of any MMO is a system where all stats are equally viable to allow for players to pick and choose different builds and be just as effective as the other.

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im wondering if some healers are respecting there 30 points to piety because of this. anyone know?

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I don't agree with Rhemi's assertion that Piety is WORTHLESS, especially for WHM, but trading away Mind for Piety straight up is pretty terrible. If you are that hard up for MP, you'd be better served to keep wearing a few i90 pieces with Piety and leaving all your points in Mind - you lose half a point or so of Mind per Piety gained (plus some non-Mind stats, but who cares, they all suck), as opposed to losing an entire point if you spec Piety.