Overpower vs Steel Cyclone

People say overpower is more enmity if you include Unchained.

Unchained -> Overpower = 120 * 5 = 600
Steel Cyclone = 200 * 3 = 600

So for the first GCD they will have equivalent enmity, but starting from the second overpower.

Unchained -> Overpower -> Overpower = 1200
Steel Cyclone -> Overpower = 600 + 450 = 1050

You can obviously Steel Cyclone -> Infuriate -> Steel Cyclone = 1200 but you will fall behind on the third GCD.

Unchained has a 120 second CD so you can't do this all the time, and honestly either way will hold aggro on anything but if you absolutely need to maximize enmity, unchained -> overpower is the way to go.

edit: it is worth noting you do not need to target anything for steel cyclone which might let you start building enmity much earlier and has the ability to target mobs behind you.

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Originally Posted by enil

edit: it is worth noting you do not need to target anything for steel cyclone which might let you start building enmity much earlier and has the ability to target mobs behind you.

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It's also worth nothing that Overpower costs an arm and a leg and every GCD you spend on it is another GCD you're not generating more Wrath. Unchained>Overpower spam is going to completely trash your TP pool whereas SC>Infuriate>SC will actually end up increasing your TP. It's a lot harder to recover from Overpower's effect upon your TP bar than it is to get back 5 Wrath (you regenerate 60 TP every 3 seconds which is 50/GCD; Overpower costs 130, which means that, to recover the TP consumed, you have to leave 1.6 GCDs empty).

I want to know who told OP that overpower> steel cyclone. like wut.. Granted, Overpower is 2nd on Overall enmity producers.

There really isn't anything to debate. Use both as needed to keep threat, manage inc. damage (IB), and not TP starve yourself. It isn't one or the other, it is *which is best for my current situation*.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

i have a lot of fun playing WAR. and constantly gain new experience with it. there are many new things a WAR can try. whereas in my experiences of playing not only AS but also WITH other PLD's. it seems that the approach for a PLD is very linear and basic for any player. while again, the WAR is more versatile. allowing for more variety.

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I have a warrior and got to say once hitting 50 the interest in tanking with it dropped to zero because it just feels like the class has to many abilities and is really hard to learn. I'm also told that it takes far longer to properly learn to tank on a warrior then it does on a paladin. It's probably because paladins abilities are more stream lined and not really all over the place like the warrior.

I would also like to add once I saw steel cyclone on wrath then I also just lost interest all together as paladin doesn't have such weird restrictions on its enmity generating abilities which makes it easier to learn to tank with and that just makes everyone gravitate towards paladin over warrior.

I don't understand why developers have the need to make one class really complicated to learn over another. I hope at some point in the future they clean up the warriors abilities and make it just as easy to learn as paladin is to learn.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

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Then roll a PLD? WAR isn't difficult. If you think WAR is complicated then you'd hate PGL and/or DRG. To make WAR play simple, leave Unchained and Steel Cyclone alone and only spam BB combo. There, you're now a gimped PLD. You just want two PLD jobs vs actual variety.

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Originally Posted by Inosaska

I don't understand why developers have the need to make one class really complicated to learn over another. I hope at some point in the future they clean up the warriors abilities and make it just as easy to learn as paladin is to learn.

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Because some people prefer a class with nuance as opposed to a mind numbingly simple one. If you want a simple tank that requires next to no forethought, play PLD. You're not being forced to play a WAR.

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Originally Posted by Vactus

Then roll a PLD? WAR isn't difficult. If you think WAR is complicated then you'd hate PGL and/or DRG. To make WAR play simple, leave Unchained and Steel Cyclone alone and only spam BB combo. There, you're now a gimped PLD. You just want two PLD jobs vs actual variety.

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Hate monk? I've been playing melee DPS for so long that this is not hard to play class at all. I find monk and summoner to be a pretty easy jobs to learn maybe its just experience in these roles from WoW(I played before they made the entire game a joke) because I played a rogue and warlock so I just have tons of experience with complex classes from that angle.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Because some people prefer a class with nuance as opposed to a mind numbingly simple one. If you want a simple tank that requires next to no forethought, play PLD. You're not being forced to play a WAR.

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I never thought to use the controller but going to give it a shot and see how well I do with it maybe that will solve my to many buttons problem for me and also it will be nice to sit back in the chair too. I guess I jumped the gun a little to fast heh oh well live and learn.

Does anyone know if its possible to make a marking macro for marking the targets in order? Like it automatically will pick the next target and mark it and so forth.

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well i think you can. but i forget the regular command for the target. i think maybe /targetnext and /targetprevious.

but you can always look in a game manual or something. the manual has all the commands you can use.

either way, those targeting commands are not good in a macro. just IMO. i would imagine there is a command to target only aggro'ed enemies.


it would be nice to see a command to target the letter each enemy is assigned to.



other then that... i prefer to cycle the targets and mark them myself. though some people never learned how to count >_> lol