Players/groups selling HM/EX wins with guaranteed loot

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

I did post this for the feedback and am not closed to other people's views or changing my own, believe it or not. Thank you for this :)

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Sorry, I could have worded it better. What I was trying to convey was that you are entitled to your opinion, even if I don't agree with it, and I wasn't going to try and say you were wrong just for having a different opinion.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

Someone got in early to derail my thread. You're just being silly, I hope you're trolling.

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He was sarcastically pointing out how stupid your post was. He did it rather well. Selling content has always been a part of every MMO, and especially FFXI--not that I like using FFXI as a reference to anything. If you don't like it, don't buy content. It makes no different to anything in the game.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

because other people will have to suffer when we get those buyers in groups through Duty Finder who don't know how to play or deal with game mechanics.

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This is also incorrect, as most people who buy gear won't be joining other groups in DF.

Selling runs in itself is fine. Going to other potential buyers raid and wiping them intentionally is not.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

SE, please make advertising the sale of HM/EX Primal runs with guaranteed loot a reportable/bannable offence.
Players should not be allowed to buy their way through content, because other people will have to suffer when we get those buyers in groups through Duty Finder who don't know how to play or deal with game mechanics.

Furthermore, there are groups making a lot of Gil from the proceeds of this which gives them an unfair advantage over others who aren't focused on benefiting from incapable players.

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Hi, I don't like the idea of selling help. But in fact each time you win a place like Titan HM there is somebody dead on the floor or that has died several times and raised while others on the team have not and carried him. FC helping members to get their relics is about the same as buying, the difference is the gil exchange.

I think what really upsets you (and probably me and everybody else) is the gil asked is super high, and probably also the fact you cannot afford it. If somebody asks 4.000 gil for melds to your pre-relic weapon you probably don't get upset and pay happily, and feel thankful to the crafter that helped you. I suspect that if they sold Titan HM for an affordable price nobody would be so upset, and many many people would pay (probably after having tried many times.) Anyway we all feel better if we win without paying.

For what others have written, people who pay most times is not necessarily a worse player. I suppose they are in a hurry, or desperate because the real difficulty is finding a group, have the gil and don't have anything better to spend the gil on.

Calling other players incapable doesn't sound well, don't you think? Of course there are people more skilled than others, quicker reflexes, better awareness of the environment, much more experience, etc. And with better ping too in the case of Titan.

What you call incapable players are all the time being carried by their friends or by PF groups. I suppose you have been in PF groups, for exampe for Ultima HM, where the creator of the group requires very high ilevel, united to experience, to enter the group, and then is the one who dies several times each run. This until he obtains a group that wins. (I don't say this happens always, but it does sometimes.)

I see also that guaranteed loot upsets you. I think this really is because you can't afford it. To obtain the loot you have to win usually many many times. Some are lucky and obtain it quickly, some never get it and give up. If somebody wants to spend a gil fortune on that, that's their choice. There are other ways to obatin good weapons, that also need a whole lot of time farming tomes. I suppose the ones who have gil fortunes have also spent a whole lot of time obtaining it, maybe crafting. Crafting also helps others a lot.

I was not referring solely to a person's skill level or ability directly. Incapable: unable to do or achieve (something).
Could be a variety of reasons why someone is not capable of clearing something like Titan Extreme.
I still feel my original point has been missed, I'm not going to point out the difference between having a party kill Titan for you and someone melding your materia for a tip/fee.

It seems I didn't get what is your main point. If it is you will meet that player in DF and he is not skilled, he will also be unskilled if he has a worse weapon. The better weapon he has, the better for you.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

Furthermore, there are groups making a lot of Gil from the proceeds of this which gives them an unfair advantage over others who aren't focused on benefiting from incapable players.

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There are people selling things they gather or craft on the Market Board who are making a lot of gil off of the proceeds of this, which gives them an unfair advantage over others who aren't focused on benefiting from players who don't want to level a DoL/DoH. Please make selling things you gather or craft on the Market Board an reportable/bannable offense.

my thoughts on this is more power to them if they are making money so be it they are much more dedicated then me. i myself would never buy a clear or gear, i would rather enjoy the fun of doing it myself. However, its a game and if people or guilds come up with cleaver ways to make gil so be it. the only way to prevent this is to stop buying their product. just like any company if the consumers stop buying their products then they will go out of buisness. However i was confused he other day when i saw a group offing services to recieve atma. not real sure how that would work but i am sure some folks took advantage.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

You can always spot the buyers. Like the one blm in CT who let his mp run out and wiped us on Atomos a couple times cause he had no idea what transpose did or how to get his mp back. Yet he was in full myth gear and had a zenith. Either he bought his gil and everything else or he just flat out bought his account. We just had one guy get kicked from our fc for openly talking about buying his account.

Buying runs only becomes a problem when you start wiping other ppls pts

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that sounds more like a bought account and that is terrible

oh.....this thread......again.....cry more please