Anybody else on the verge of unsubscribing?

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Originally Posted by Ninix

Not really, no.



Are you basically asking here for the new endgame raids to be Duty Finderable? Are you serious? Go watch a video of the first 90 seconds of turn 6 and tell me you want to do that with randoms.

It's unfortunate that your schedule doesn't allow you to do organized endgame content, but I don't see why that means it should be designed to be easy enough to PUG.

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Don't need to go that far, turn 2 non enrage alone would utterly destroy 99% of DF.

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Originally Posted by Adoxx

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I wouldn't go that far about this game but ya it is not straight forward.

For now the current drop rate is mostly to prevent too many players from getting their Atma too soon since not many people are meant to be at Coil 2 yet but only those who have already worked hard enough to be in Coil 2.

Once 2.3 hits and Crystal Tower's 2nd raid is released we may see a increase in Atma drop rate in 2.3 and a bigger drop rate increase in 2.4 when the next set of Atma Souls for ilvl 110 version of Relic is released (with Coil 3 of course.)

As of now SE seems to be following the pattern of making current endgame stuff tedious during release then gradually make it more accessable each update with the tedious part being moved to more current new endgame stuff. Relic weapons so far are only Starter Endgame Weapons after all.

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Originally Posted by Adoxx

If you are complaining about the patch not being for casual players or being too boring after only 2 days of release then you need to go to WoW. This game is for true MMO players who want to have to work for stuff, even casual MMO players. This is not a handout game. It is supposed to take time to get the best gear in the game (your relic weapon will eventually turn into the best). They didn't expect people to get their Atma/Animus weapon before the next patch hits. MMO's have always relied on RNG because without it, the game just turns to play me for an hour a week and be the best.

You may think about sticking to RPG's.

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Yeah, dude. TRUE MMO PLAYERS. Ones that like bashing buttons over and over on Lv. 3 FATEs. TRUE. MMO. PLAYERS.


Taking time to get gear is understandable; doing stupid, boring, and laughably easy content to get a BiS weapon isn't fun. It's just a huge time sink. If they didn't expect them to get the Anima/Animus before next patch, why did some get them in 4-6hrs? Because the quest is broken. I answered it for you.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

YOU ARE LESS THAN A WEEK INTO THIS GAME.

Atma isn't that difficult to get it's designed to be a long-term thing.
Grinding is as common as oxygen in MMO terms.

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^This guy gets it

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Originally Posted by Adoxx

If you are complaining about the patch not being for casual players or being too boring after only 2 days of release then you need to go to WoW. This game is for true MMO players who want to have to work for stuff, even casual MMO players. This is not a handout game. It is supposed to take time to get the best gear in the game (your relic weapon will eventually turn into the best). They didn't expect people to get their Atma/Animus weapon before the next patch hits.

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Is this some kind of joke?

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Originally Posted by Diadumenos

^This guy gets it

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The games been out for much longer than 1 week. It doesn't matter the time the patch has been out. People have gotten 12 atmas in 6hrs, and no atmas in 12hrs. It's not casual at all. I'm a casual player and Ithink it's idiotic. I get one, maybe wanna try to get some Atmas so I go bash my head against RNG on level 3 mobs to waste 2hrs doing something that ISN'T FUN. I've never thought there were people that would blindly defend this game and rationalize stupid stuff SE does until this patch. They need to adjust the RNG or give it something that could be a tangible backdrop goal like 100% atma on first time clearing every FATE in a region. Is it that hard to reward someone for wasting hours of their time? Grind isn't what MMO's are about, and I really wish people would talk about how the MMO genre relies on the word grind because it shouldn't. Have fun, challenging content to experience with friends on an "adventure". THAT is an MMO. THIS is dumb; the stupidity is just shown exponentially when I can tell 12hrs into atma farming and not have to wait 1-2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Ninix

Is this post a joke?

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FATE grind is srs bizz. Srs bizz that only the truest of true can handle.

Nope, I'm really enjoying the game and its even better now with 2.2.

While I do weep for people, I can look on the other side of the fence: through the entirety of 2.0-2.1 people who DO want content that actually requires time were told you outta luck. These forums were filled with tears that they only log in for one day and that was it. This atma grind is for them.

I would also like to point out any other method than an RNG fate grind would have been completed in a day. That is the very nature of this game.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

This patch added pretty much nothing for casual players. Nothing about it excites me or makes me want to play.

I won't be unsubscribing, but I'm not playing any more frequently than I was before the patch.

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This is what's bothering me too. I actually like the new relic grind but that's basically all this patch added for most.

Leviathan extreme? Nope titan ex is still impossible even with echo buff
Coil 6-9? Nope. Still not getting past turn 5 anytime soon.

Anything significant this patch added is completely blocked off to most of the playerbase. Might as well take you time with Atmas because that's all we got this patch.

Am I on the verge of unsubbing?

Hmm.. Hmm..

Nope. Quite happy about the content provided with 2.2 and will definitely continue to play.