Truth about Echo

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Originally Posted by MrDiezel

Echo isnt making anything easier. No amount of echo can make up for pure skill and knowledge.

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ROFL.. i said this last week when people where like "boo by its getting nerfed and so easy".

But yeah, funny how people did not believe it and expected that Echo will carry them through Content. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Haizen

So I tried Titan HM today for my relic. It just wasn't going to happen. We failed so many times I lost count ( several different parties).

I understand it is "end game" content, but for many people it is just too hard. Combined with lag, it is impossible. This is the content that makes you loose players, and money.

Sure, some people can do it, but you will loose friends because of it. They will just stop playing. I already see the beginnings of our group breaking up because of content like this.

They just want to have fun, and Titan HM isn't.

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I did titan HM yesterday with 20% echo, i think now 4 players knowing the fight is enough to pass (much much easier than before). The way i passed is:
- always dodge landslide;
- don't stand in more than 1 bomb, but don't try to dodge them all;
- don't move from less than 2 Weights unless you are a smn/brd who can dps while running.
I think hard content should stay outside of main story, but it's SE decision, not mine.

Regarding the topic, it's weird to see people complaining about lack of skill and learning in the casual-oriented mmo (i remember seeing somewhere producer saying he does not want the game to be grind and smart based). In some other mmos there are walls that need 3 months, 6 months, year to pass, but ffxiv instead makes older content easier so everyone can pass it - that's the direction of the game and expecting everyone to improve is pointless. Also there is no reward for improving and no penalty for not doing so, you cannot blame people for not doing something that is pointless.

Personally I'm waiting a bit before getting back into primals. I had a feeling there'd be a flood of people assuming they would just get carried through the game, when that's not how it's going to work - The Echo is meant to help the group that keeps dying when the boss had an eighth of his HP left, not the group looking to auto-attack their way through it while watching their favorite show on Netflix.

The Echo is to forgive groups for the "oopsie" moments, not the "carry us" moments.

I tried Titan Ex in DF just to check out the echo and the group couldn't last 3 minutes to even obtain the first echo stack, haha. We tried 3 or 4 times and never gained one single stack. In other words, if people don't learn the fight, Echo isn't going to help them. You can't get the echo if you can't dodge enough to make it past the first three minutes.

Entered a Titan Ex party where they asked for experienced only and to not rely on the echo buff, well guess what happened /rolleyes

Echo doesn't make you beat something it just makes it more forgiving, and allows people a better learning curve. If you wipe to a single hit, you are not getting enough experience face on the ground. The echo allows you stay up and learning.

It also helps weakened status because many times a weaken or double weaken member is pretty much dead weight unable to get through phase changes alive.

Finally, it makes parsing and ilvl a non-issue. Taking someone at lower ilvl is risky, echo makes that redundant.

I really hope people won't start dying around just to activate it :(

The timers are sometimes tough and there's no minutes to wait for everybody to die, spawn, re-buff and so on.

Well, last night the low level duty roulette gave my titan storymode, and due to lag we had to abandon. So, all the failures being seen might be due to player or server lag. Remember they implemented a new system to allow more simultaneous dungeon instances, and its probably not performing as expected.

This happened yesterday when I was finishing Relic for SCH. People would eat Land Slides, Plumes, And Bombs. What was even worse is that People in DF expect others to be ilvl90.... Some ivl90 was giving me shit over my ilvl73 SCH. Anyways Yeah if you can't Dodge then the Echo buff isn't going to help you in Titan. Other fight it probably will.

I was in a titan ex group last night, 15% echo buff. The DPS did less damage and didn't even kill the heart. My mind was freaked. **less damage then without the buff at all because we killed it the first try.