Just realized - if you're a casual gamer, ideally....

like people say, its all about the journey. who cares if it takes u 1 month to do everything or 1 year. MMOs shouldn't discriminate against a player because at the end of the day, MMOs are about experiencing a fantasy world with friends and people they meet online.

also, casual != easy and hardcore != hard. its all about accessibility

So many wrong assumptions in the OP. But hey, that's what the internet is for :)

MMORPG = Multi-massive online role playing game.

It has no connotations of hardcore from the word itself. Games like EQ gave it a connotation of hardcore. It literally means a bunch of people play an RPG together.

As for casual, it means accessible and that you don't have to dedicate large amounts of time to the game to make progress. Sure in the long run you do. But you don't have to sit down for more than an hour to see progress happen.

I consider myself casual although I play video games for 4+ hours on days I can manage to even play games >.>

Stop being elitist. Stop thinking MMORPG = hardcore. Stop thinking casual = bad.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Ideally a casual gamer should not be playing a mmo, a consul game more fits the playstyle. Can play when ever you want, not forced to play with others which takes time, no one forcing you to be a certain way, things are made to more give you a sense of accomplishment with much less work, less/no grind, no competition. The issue is the casuals are playing mmos, and nothing anyone can do will stop it now. A mmo honestly is everything that most casuals hate, and why you see so much tension in these forums between the 2 opposing sides. The people who want a old school mmo experiance, and the causals who want the mmo to be more like a massive multiplayer online consul game.

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how 100% wrong lol
my dear you really need to get out more. alot more.

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Originally Posted by VeranRamaden

if I was a casual gamer, why the hell would I play a game that has so
much content (not exactly talking about XIV here guys) and only have say
a few hours (1-10) a week to play it?

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Because casual gamers don't have to play all the content. It's not necessary for them. They like the wide range of options and massive content even if they'll never see most it. It's about the journey.

Unfortunately, the journey isn't particularly fun for most people (casual or otherwise) at the moment.

Every time i read something like this, think we should rename genre in MMORPE = Multi-massive online role playing elitism.

I'm not a casual gamer, but to assume because a person does not have as much time as your self or what you title as "hardcore gamer" is only selfish, and makes you look just that. There is an ever growing real world where people have duties and responsibilities, and just because they don't have a good amount of time doesn't mean they can't play a game.

Whats the big deal? SE planning to add casual stuff for casual players and hardcore stuff for hardcore players...
Also times are changing MMORPG was never said it's for hardcore, it just means

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

MMORPG = Multi-massive online role playing game.

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Why can't you guys just wait and see what SE delivers to the players first before making all these assumptions that it's going to suck, or it's going to be casual players stuff only, they already said they have to work on the foundation of the battle system in order to add more contents... If you can't stand it being casual right now, or some stuff being called something you don't agree on the naming (ex: Raid) you can always just go play another game that fits your needs.... Don't have to tell everyone else to not play the game because their play style is not same as you.

I'm casual and I'm having fun. Your argument is invalid =)

The casual thing isn't about playtime or actually getting the whole game done... it's simply a way to attract the game to more players, so SE is getting more money :O
If a casual player who only plays a few hours each week, is paying the whole 13$ fee, SE would be stupid to lose all those casual gamers.

They're just trying to find a middle path and a good balance so both player base can actually enjoy the game. Nothing wrong with that. They won't get around of adding hardcore AND casual gamer content though. So just be patient and wait until it's getting added.

I'm more of a mixture of a casual and a hardcore gamer. Under the week Mo-Thu I can only play a few hours each day. On most of the weekends it's more than that of course.. and maybe even w/o sleep (omg RL sux XD).
Well.. we'll see where SE leads us to :)

P.S.: Blue Mage pwetty prz ;_;