The community is only as toxic as we make it

I find the toxicity in the lockout system for the most part.

I've had great friends who've turned from an enjoyable experience of 'friendship' (to be cringy) who've turned into screaming children in a short space of time.
I've encountered the issue, and so have many others, I've even been the screaming child whether internally or externally and it only brings out the worst in everyone.

They only thing the lockout system has achieved is the disillusion of guilds, linkshells and long-term friendships which were pretty much dissolved in a very short period of time due to the way the game currently works.

"I dont get what you mean?"

A Free Company lets assume has three parties; A, B and C, all are 8 and running Turns 1-5 throughout the week on their own times.

Party A has an absense of member(s) and takes member(s) from B to fill the gap. Party A forget to discuss it with party B and continue with the member(s) taken and complete Turns 1-5.

Due to the lockout system the member(s) can no-longer back track and access BCoB until next Monday leaving Party B to either replace or not run for the week.


This is destined to cause MAJOR issues. Instead of a loot/token lockout system for gear in BcOB, we're left with an entire lockout leaving friends seperated and people generally stuck in groups of 8 that are difficult to change, adjust or deal with timetabling.

"This sounds a bit exagerated"

I've watched multiple Free Companies crumble and fall because of this, people get left out, people get upset, people can't help other people.
For a game that used to so perfectly promote "Working Together" in FFXI and XIV 1.23 they've thoroughly spat on that.



The lockout benefits no-one.
Casual players in the Free Company will be left behind, the other parties have already run for the week, the later into the week the harder it is for them to find a pick up group.
Hardcore players are unable to be swapped around or fill in gaps in other parties, sometimes rendering other parties useless.

A loot lockout system would prove so much more enjoyable.

Friend would be able to help friends, gaps in groups could be filled, members could be replaced without worry. "It's okay I've got my two pieces of loot for the week, I'll tank for you!".


Why didn't they do this?

Content Longevity.

They want content to last as long as possible, if people can't run it when they want, they're unable to help other to progress further.
They other fear being people would grow to tire of the same content repeated throughout the week much quicker.

[Also this was my 666th post, go figure...]

There are fights which cannot be explained. More so if 7/8 of the party are experienced. That said, its good to be well mannered.

I also hate the coil lockout system for the same reason. My FC doesn't have enough people or tanks to have two raid groups, and some people can't even be included for the weekly coil runs because of how the system works.

The lockout honestly benefits nobody at all, and I'd think it'd be much better if it had a loot lockout like CT.

Gotta agree with OP, seen it too many times. Just last night did random duty only to get a tank that would not let up on this DRG. We were in Barx... what ever that lvl 32 dungeon is with the poison dragon fight. Long story short. Drg dc's just as fight starts. The remaining three of us trio the dragon. Tank then ends the day with telling us what p.o.s we are and was disgruntled for having even helped us level.

Wish I could say this was the first time I have seen something like that, but it's not. What the hell people?! It's only a game!

You know they have said they are removing the lockout for turns 1-5.

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Originally Posted by Diadumenos

What the hell people?! It's only a game!

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I never understood it either. I believe the main problem is that there is the small percentage of people that treat the game like a job. Another problem is the lack of people standing up to the louder/more foul mouthed people.

IE: In DF, Tank entered and stated, "Everyone must agree to pass on all the loot or I will leave!" I was the only person that said something and that something was, "Go ahead. I'll even do a Votekick for you :D!" (I was the healer) -Queue Tank Raging & Leaving-

Now, what would have happened if I hadn't of spoken up? The rest of the group would have done the DF with a douche tank and no one else would have gotten anything.

It's not only tanks, I've seen DPS foul mouth other DPS.

I think the community as a whole needs to stand up to these kinds of people, no matter what class they are, and let it be known that people wont stand for it.

~My Thoughts <3

The other day i joined a PF for the Ifrit EX. One of the healers killed us all :), was clear that he was new to the fight so i suggested after the wipe that the other one explains him what to do....no tank asp went and atacked Ifrit....and can you believe it we died again same way. Most of the party members start atacking the healer..... sorry bro you are new you must go...hey did you put exp people only in PF info....go watch videos... and such things ! Then ive spoken....how about you explained it to him what to do and stop rushing....you got time to ask if you put such stupid info in PF but you dont have time to 1-2min to explain it to him.....you ask for exp people yet you refuse to explain to new players, how will new people learn if they dont play with exp players....you are tolking as if you invented the start and as if you were never first timer here !!!


There are meany problems with FF14 but they will be fixed from SE dev team in time.....The biggest one is our Toxic Community this they wont be able to fix :(

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Originally Posted by Krokov

I myself was ripped on the other day cause I didn't have my relic weapon and no i90 gear while running amdapor keep. Apparently if your level 50 i90 gear is required. º.º

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It's a good thing then that we're not talking about most people, but some truly, irredeemably, awful exceptions. Relating your situation to the summoners we were talking about is a huge stretch, to put it lightly. A summoner that only spams ruin is literally ignoring 95%+ of his skills.

You have to be realistic, at that point you have two choices: you give unsolicited advice to the point of explaining everything the game went at lengths to teach already, or just conclude they're trolling. It is not unreasonable to expect people to at least spend a fraction of the effort that everyone else put in to make sure they're pulling weight, disrespect given is sometimes disrespect earned.

Also this is probably appropriate here.

http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png

I agreed with the content lockout when the game launched, but it's getting to the point where it feels like they should downgrade the lockout to just loot lockout CT style for the current turns once they release new turns for it. Not after they come out with an expansion pack, but whenever they release new content for the dungeon, they downgrade the lockout on the previous content, and maintain the content lockout on whatever they just released.

Either that, or just downgrade the lockout EVERY content patch, whether the patch includes content for that dungeon or not. There's so many of us, and it's been long enough that it's no longer a matter of "well there's hardly anyone that far yet anyway".

This is a suitable 6 min video that examines why online gamers are, well... jerks.
It is not a biased point of view - indeed it is rather factual.

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/reali.../2300-6416026/