Where do I go from here (WHM gear)

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Originally Posted by Estellios

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This was what my line of thought was. I have royal pants, and even though cleric pants are BiS - I could upgrade my DL feet to cleric boots for example for a much bigger stat increase (DL->myth instead of royal->myth). Just really wasn't sure if I should get Thyrus upgrade or, say, myth gloves+feet (or something along those lines), since myth is pretty hard to come by.

Thank you all, kind folks, for the responses and for some debate (to help me further understand the job)!

Thyrus->Thyrus Zenith (900 myth): +4MND, +3DET, +3SPD, +5VIT

DL Gloves-> Cleric Gloves (495 myth): +6MND, -8DET, +15SPD, +6VIT, +5PIE
DL Boots-> Cleric Boots (495 myth): +6MND, +7DET, +6VIT
Totals for both: +12MND, -1DET, +12VIT, +15SPD, +5PIE

Relic upgrade is 900 myth while gloves and boots will run me 990 myth (so pretty close). Am I wrong in my line of thinking in that I should upgrade the latter two before my zenith? This will give me a faster boost in iLevel (which will make it much easier for me to actually get into coil parties and thus allagan gear).

Thyrus > Zenith will actually be the most significant and noticeable upgrade to your performance. +3 Magic damage is, from my understanding, somewhere in the realm of +20-ish MND.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Thyrus > Zenith will actually be the most significant and noticeable upgrade to your performance. +3 Magic damage is, from my understanding, somewhere in the realm of +20-ish MND.

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Oh wow, completely looked over that (and didn't even know that's how it worked). Thanks man!

My personal preference is: ilvl70 crafted stuff and crit. I don't mind whether its "absolutely best in slot" or not or the so-called only right secondary stat composition. i70 vs i90 accessoires is a diffrence between Cure 1 healing 1020 and 1070 for me. I don't care about this little difference, I favor the +500HP. I personally favor crit although it is not reliable, but: Det is constant but minor as well, SS doesn't make the cut, if the .1s does, something went wrong before. Crit is always nice if it hits, because usually it saves one extra heal and our common use case is that the tank need to be healed more than 1k, and for overheal, oh dear if your tank can't handle that bit aggro of overheal, get a new tank.
Yes the theorycrafters are right about their hps, constant vs. unreliability and whatever, I agree with them. But on practical application, I don't think it holds.

The longest fight is Twintania and you have to heal about a total of 380k Damage (parsed yesterday from our run out of curiosity). I healed a portion of 160k, while the SCH+fairy did the rest. So thats about 160 Cures (1k assuming) or 145 Cures (1,1k assuming for going full DET and MND). When I crit Cure 1, it is 1,5k with 14% (every 7th) going Crit or 1,6k with 11% (every 9th) going Det. So it doesn't make that big difference if you go Crit or Det IMO, matter of taste and at the end of the day only one thing matters: Are ppl alive or not (and was is it close or not)?
Theorycrafting is nice, but from a practical view it doesn't matter (only considering WHM!). I personally feel more comfortable with Crit. To come to an end: There is no ultimate wisdom or the one and only way everyone has to go. Use your own brain.

This is only my personal observation, preference and opinion. Just wanna say, don't believe blindly what other ppl might say and make it your dogma. And don't get irritated by ppl who might say ("whaaaaat, you're gimp using this one", "dont you know this is bis you noob"), just ignore them.

And yeah for upgrades: Weapon, Pants, Body first.

Hi OP,

I would say if you can upgrade your "left" side, before your right (accessories) to get a sizeable amount of VIT to better endure AoEs or Turn 5 fireballs without compromising your healing ability (Mnd, Piety, Vit all on each left-side piece, except maybe the weapon).

I'm glad I found this thread. I was recently wondering the same thing, Zenith vs. Cleric items, and heard both answers from people in my FC. Glad to know most people here say Zenith first, which is what I did.

Thyrus > Thyrus Zenith > Allagan Cane (BiS)
DL Cowl > Cleric's Robe + Royal Crown > Allagan Tunic + Allagan Circlet (BiS)
DL Gloves > Cleric's Gloves (BiS)
Heroes Belt > Allagan Rope Belt (BiS)
Royal Breeches > Cleric's Culottes (BiS)
DL Boots > Cleric's Boots (BiS)
DL Choker > Ulitma Choker of Healing > Hero's Necklace > Allagan Choker (BiS)
DL Ears > Tremor Errings of Healing > Hero's Earrings > Allagan Earrings (BiS)
DL Bracelet > Hero's Bracelet > Allagan Bracelet > Inferno Bangle (BiS)
DL Ring > Ultima Band > Allagan Ring (BiS)

This is my own personal gear guide, the ones marked with (BiS) are the ones you eventually want to end up with and aim for. The items I listed before 'BiS' will get you through the content you need to gain the 'BiS' items :) I tend to favor Det over Crit.

Hope it helps!

Many people are overlooking the primal weapon. If you can manage to do all of the 3 extreme primals your gonna get ilvl90 weapon for free. Might not be easy without the zenith but it´s totally doable especially if you get some heĺ from your FC. Getting primal weapon + your myth gloves+boots would be a huge upgrade.

Yeah, I agree. If you can get the primal weapon fairly readily use the myth someplace else at first.