Scholar Solo Healing Titan Extreme? Video here!

Why was this a thing? I mean, who didn't think this could happen? The whm / sch are very balanced within each other, if one could do it so to could the other. I don't get the point of this. If this is supposed to prove to people that SCH is as good as WHM and they didn't think that already, they're never going to. Vice versa btw.

edit. wrong thread... gg Dae.

Good job, but your dps was absolutely horrendous..

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Originally Posted by Gurpsmeister

Why was this a thing? I mean, who didn't think this could happen? The whm / sch are very balanced within each other, if one could do it so to could the other. I don't get the point of this. If this is supposed to prove to people that SCH is as good as WHM and they didn't think that already, they're never going to. Vice versa btw.

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I don't think the issue is whether or not both can do these things solo, I think the issue for most people is how SCH offers so much utility to the party on top of being able to heal, while WHM offer really nothing but healing. Nothing in this game requires the massive healing output of a WHM, so the job itself is kinda wasted in current FFXIV mechanics. SCHs shine no matter what the fight is and what the party composition is, because they not only bring more to the table (better mitigation, better buffing/debuffing, stronger ST healing), but they also don't' suffer from the same level of MP management as WHM have to deal with, nor the greater risk of generating enmity. This makes SCH much more of an independent healer while WHM doesn't have the spare MP to cover for DPS mistakes or forces a party to find a Bard. So in the end it's not about what content the jobs can do...it just comes down to it that SCH is the all around "better" healing job simply because of utility. I understand that SE wants WHM to just be heal machines, but the problem is that there is no content that absolutely requires a heal machine. If WHM is to remain what it is in future focus, it needs to have major MP cost cuts across the board and have Spell Speed factor into how fast their HoTs tick in order to buff them to the same level as SCH is currently. Otherwise, the job will continue to be a waste until SE designs a fight where there's so much unavoidable AoE damage that a SCH just can't compete, thus giving purpose to WHMs' existence as a massive AoE healer.

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Originally Posted by Velox

I don't think the issue is whether or not both can do these things solo, I think the issue for most people is how SCH offers so much utility to the party on top of being able to heal, while WHM offer really nothing but healing. Nothing in this game requires the massive healing output of a WHM, so the job itself is kinda wasted in current FFXIV mechanics. SCHs shine no matter what the fight is and what the party composition is, because they not only bring more to the table (better mitigation, better buffing/debuffing, stronger ST healing), but they also don't' suffer from the same level of MP management as WHM have to deal with, nor the greater risk of generating enmity. This makes SCH much more of an independent healer while WHM doesn't have the spare MP to cover for DPS mistakes or forces a party to find a Bard. So in the end it's not about what content the jobs can do...it just comes down to it that SCH is the all around "better" healing job simply because of utility. I understand that SE wants WHM to just be heal machines, but the problem is that there is no content that absolutely requires a heal machine. If WHM is to remain what it is in future focus, it needs to have major MP cost cuts across the board and have Spell Speed factor into how fast their HoTs tick in order to buff them to the same level as SCH is currently. Otherwise, the job will continue to be a waste until SE designs a fight where there's so much unavoidable AoE damage that a SCH just can't compete, thus giving purpose to WHMs' existence as a massive AoE healer.

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Um no, if anything whm is the better job at covering dps mistakes. If you watch the video some of the dps literally drop to <500 hp, a little bad rng and someone is going to die. That would have never happened with cure III or medicas. The DPS stay at a much lower hp value for a huge part of the fight. Also if you watch close the scholar has, you guessed it! Mages Ballad on just like a whm would and still drops to <500 mp. Even if only whm had to take advantage of a brd, the scholar in this video has to take advantage of monk's mantra to counter its low AoE healing output. Watch the video before trying to make a whm QQ post. Whm is better at AoE sch is better at Single Target, however so far in any situation where solo healing has been done, both jobs have been capable(though there's only one ifrit ex solo heal that I've seen so far, using whm and of course all ranged). It's usually more about the dps than the healer in solo healing situations. Even though sch and whm play differently you get the same result during every single one of these solo healing videos.

Just a screenshot, but I'm still happy for that. Hopefully there are no doubts left that SCH has issues doing this.

http://s16.postimg.org/m8cteajbp/ffx...014_195622.png

I'd like to say thanks to Wizzed this way, I've watched his video and it inspired me. :)

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Originally Posted by Velox

Otherwise, the job will continue to be a waste until SE designs a fight where there's so much unavoidable AoE damage that a SCH just can't compete, thus giving purpose to WHMs' existence as a massive AoE healer.

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So Ifrit Extreme then? I really can't see SCH solo healing that, Succor doesn't have the range to apply it on your party without searing them to death and Eos's regen on a 1 minute timer isn't going to cut it during final nail phase. The only way I could see it being done is to use healer LB at some point and just DPS the big nail down normally.

Not that there's any reason to solo heal that fight anyway, since the extra DPS achieves nothing.

For all the "solo heal" encounters it's mostly DD that should not get hit. It's perfectly doable. Like Garuda for example. DD never gets hit in theory. Titan EX: stomps and maybe upheavel would be a bit of a pain for SCH. Other than that, there should be no dmg on DD..

So basically high exp groups can have some fun and do the 1 healer, 1 extra dps trick.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

For all the "solo heal" encounters it's mostly DD that should not get hit. It's perfectly doable. Like Garuda for example. DD never gets hit in theory. Titan EX: stomps and maybe upheavel would be a bit of a pain for SCH. Other than that, there should be no dmg on DD..

So basically high exp groups can have some fun and do the 1 healer, 1 extra dps trick.

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There's not much point even in titan for 1 healer except bragging rights, unlike garuda-ex. Because you really don't save that much time with that 1 extra dps. Making titan jump at the wrong time is extremely unforgiving, and each phase is done such that most of the fight is gone by the time you want another dps (after adds).

The only reason to have an extra dps in titan is to push the phases for 1 tank stack (which really doesn't make titan any easier, and limiting, as you must have a pld) and to skip superbombs (which is pointless since super bombs is easy, if no one is dying anyway which no one should in 1healer situations).

And ifrit ex, forget about it, pointless to have an extra dps there because he'll just wipe the PT.

For titan/ifrit, you must have all dps with mantra, to rotate. It's a must, which makes it even more limiting situations. So really it's less the healer being good and more the rest of the team being good. Even whm single healer (a lot easier then sch single heal) requires 2-3 mantras on rotation.

Titan stomps do not make it hard on the sch. You have enough time to top it off. It's the phase changes. Basically having a dps go wild will wipe the PT.

Jump at stomps = wipe
Jump at jail = wipe (unlike titan HM, gaols do not break at jump)
Jump at weight = sometimes wipe

There's just no good reason to bring in another dps for titan because most of the fight you have to hold back simply because it's too dangerous to break the script.

Nobody says healer gets ALL The credit in solo healing. EVERYONE plays a huge part in making it successful, not just healer. Sure healers need to be on their toes on healing because nobody is there to cover their healing, but I repeat, EVERYONE plays a huge part in making this run a success. Even for tanks, they have to be at the correct position, pop CDs at the right time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Xztw_R2Po

Here's my video though. :)


Also, both of the videos proves that MND isn't need for solo healing!