Constantly kicked for watching cutscenes

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Originally Posted by Archona

Make your own group in Party Finder with the intention of watching all the cutscenes for first timers. Pay members if you cannot fill the party within a reasonable amount of time. If you want to experience content as it is meant to, you're 3 months late to the party. Don't show up to the MMO late then complain about the consequences of making that decision.

Duty Finder/Roulette are for repeat runs and fast queues.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
You are not a special snowflake.
Watch cutscenes in the inn.
Read text quicker.

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Um, no. DF/Roulette are for experiencing content and helping newcomers. If you want speed runs you need to create your own group, not expect it from everyone on DF. Roulette helps newer players, it isn't for "OMG EASY TOMES". Kicking someone for enjoying content is bs.

What's worse is the tanks that won't even wait the small amount of time that it takes some of us with slower HDDs to skip the cutscenes. Just had a tank lock BOTH of us healers out of Nero. He then went on to pull Ultima Weapon while I was buffing, aggroing it on me and getting me killed.

I generally have no trouble waiting for people to finish watching cutscenes. But then, I also have absolutely no need to do the duty finder for main scenario, so depending on which instance we are talking about, SE really should look into removing some of the stupid filler cutscenes. (like in castrum meridianum.)

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Once somone has been kicked, the rest of the party won't suffer from the 30 minute lockout if they leave. Nor will the person who has been kicked.

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This depends on how quickly DF replaces them.

Didn't know this was still a problem. Honestly, I don't give one shiet if you paid 30 bucks for yadayada and I deserve yadayada. You're just stating the obvious. It's just really funny how 6 or the majority voted to kick you out of the party. If you believe those people are abusing the system, then go report them. If you want to enjoy and "expect" the players to "patiently" wait for you, create a party finder and state that you are watching all cutscenes, only if you still have trouble with the DF/Roulettes.

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Originally Posted by FishHead

Like the guy said above, a lot of them can't be seen in the inn.

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The only place where it becomes a problem I've noticed is in CM/Prae for people using the roulette, because the places are LOADED with cutscenes, and long ones at that. The last Prae run I did, one of our tanks was new and watched the entire cutscene following the second Ultima fight, and missed the ENTIRE BATTLE with Laha. He was still watching the same one after we downed him.

And for the record all of those are watchable at the inn, all except the last one are under the Duty tab, the last one is in Main Scenario. And before people jump on me for being insensitive to new people and 'ruining the experience', I skipped through all the cutscenes on my first run through CM and Prae. Yes, I was bummed about it, and no, it didn't feel the same watching them back at the inn, but standing where I do now and looking back, I realize it was considerate to those I partied with because those two dungeons are nauseatingly long enough already without having to stop and wait for the cutscenes. Odds are when they run it a few more times for tomes they'll be singing the same tune.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

Um, no. DF/Roulette are for experiencing content and helping newcomers. If you want speed runs you need to create your own group, not expect it from everyone on DF. Roulette helps newer players, it isn't for "OMG EASY TOMES". Kicking someone for enjoying content is bs.

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Can you show me where it's stated that DF/Roulette are intended for "experiencing" content and helping newcomers? Because last I looked, DF groups you with a bunch of strangers who may have a completely different mindset to your own. The kick function is a majority vote; if the majority vote kicked someone out for watching cutscenes then you can probably assume the mindset of that particular group is to finish the dungeon as fast as possible. As others have already mentioned, if you want to be absolutely sure that you won't be harassed or abused for watching cutscenes, you should utilize the party finder system (which is something more people should use; it's great) and form your own group of like minded individuals instead of rolling the dice and hoping that you land in a group with strangers that are fine with you sitting through every cutscene.

I'm disgusted in the behavior such as the OP states. Content spammers forcing others into their rushy pace is neither rewarding nor fun. For most of the time as a newb you're simply struggling to keep the pace of the others whilst you learn nothing of the dungeons or the mechanics within at the same time. I see the problem as a sum of four parts:

1) If the game has the mechanics that enable you to be a jerk and trample all over the types that hinder you in any way even if that'd be the intended way for the content, you can be sure some will use those mechanics.
2) Some story dungeons have way too long cutscenes.
3) 8-man party size makes a hefty portion of the people disposable thanks to most being overgeared in duty finder nowadays anyway.
4) Cross-server duty finder makes it easier for you to be a jerk. You don't have to worry about your personal reputation nearly as much as you would if everyone was from the same server.

ARR is one of the only, if not the only MMO where I've seen dungeon design choices like this. It sucks, especially when they put so much effort to the cutscenes. You're basically excluding newcomers and promoting selfish elitism within story-based content this way.

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Originally Posted by Deculture

Can you show me where it's stated that DF/Roulette are intended for "experiencing" content and helping newcomers?

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You're told to use the duty finder for the dungeon-specific missions. I'm unsure if the missions can even be completed in any other way. And as far as I know the duty roulette was implemented specifically to help the newcomers have shorter waiting times while dealing with low level dungeon content.

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Originally Posted by Deculture

Can you show me where it's stated that DF/Roulette are intended for "experiencing" content and helping newcomers? Because last I looked, DF groups you with a bunch of strangers who may have a completely different mindset to your own. The kick function is a majority vote; if the majority vote kicked someone out for watching cutscenes then you can probably assume the mindset of that particular group is to finish the dungeon as fast as possible. As others have already mentioned, if you want to be absolutely sure that you won't be harassed or abused for watching cutscenes, you should utilize the party finder system (which is something more people should use; it's great) and form your own group of like minded individuals instead of rolling the dice and hoping that you land in a group with strangers that are fine with you sitting through every cutscene.

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I can show you where "This person doesn't play like us" is an invalid and abusive way of using the vote kick system and is punishable by SE. That's the best I can do, though.

You want speed runs/skip cutscenes? Form a party yourself. Best chances of getting like minded people that can help ensure you can get your stuff done in a timely manner.

You use the DF? Expect people who wants to watch cutscenes or who aren't up to par with what you want from group members. Kicking them because they don't meet your expectations is not valid. So you are going to be stuck with them and all the more reason to form your own group if you want speed runs.

What SE needs to add is a way to know the group members names after they vote kick you so you CAN report them. Unless you screencap every group you join, you'll have no way of knowing who was in the group to report in the first place.

Whenever I run CM or Prat, I always make it a point to ask if there are any newbies present that wish to watch the cutscenes. I will then defend them should others take opposition to the delays. I wil also wait for them so they don't get left out in the cold.

But yes, having these cutscenes in the middle of dungeons is a terrible design choice.

The best solution is indeed to use the party finder to form a party of people who don't mind / want to watch all cutscenes.