As people have said Monk didnt need the buff. Monk is already really powerful however, it seems the dev team intended monk to be very active and always switching positions. Lots of players had found that you could keep most dps by staying on the flank, the backstab buff is to create a situation where in order to do close damage to a skilled monk you must played the class as it is intended. The gl buff we have no information on yet and thus cannot make a comment on yet. Drgs DPS was not quite in the best place and using jump was far too risky. So jump is being changed and dps is raised.
The big deal about the 10% damage increase is to increase our steady damage during situations where either class must leave the mionster for a period. We lose all buffs. While skilled players can make this work and ramp back up fast enough the situation does bring dps problems when commmpared to range classes that dont micromanage anywhere near as much.
These buffs in the end of things wont change much in terms of how we form groups. Bringing a melee player is still much more risky. But it does make what appears to be the intended party setup, 1 war 1 pld 1 whm 1 sch 1 melee 1 blm 1 smn 1 brd even better. Looking at all of the balances it seems this group type was intended.
Concerns about the boosts to drg and mnk
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12-03-2013, 10:09 PMCynric
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12-03-2013, 10:14 PMEphier
While I do believe that monks did not need the buff, the dragoon buff might have broke the balance that monk and dragoon had. Monk for sustain and dragoon for burst. If just dragoon had received the buff they probably would do more damage than monks period, and that is not good at all. We do not even know how big or small the buff we be, just wait and see. As for the BLM comments, they have the best AoE in the game along with crazy single target damage. They should not be top damage on boss, period.
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12-03-2013, 10:48 PMNightWrathBecause 90% of monk only atk from side, and most drg sux as well and complain to much about evading mechanics, so they will buff because of their lack of finger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinworms
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12-03-2013, 10:55 PMMekhanaWe DRGs have less utility than Monks it would make sense we should be able to do more DPS than you, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephier
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12-03-2013, 11:01 PMCynricYou do! In AoE, at least now youll be closer in single target. Besides we have about the same utility. You make bards better, we help healers out for a tiny bit. We both stun however only monks can silence, but being on silence duty as a monk isnt the best thing a group can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekhana
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12-03-2013, 11:03 PMShaone
OP: BLM is very powerful, on both single target and grouped targets. It seems SE intended for the jobs with single target limit breaks to be better DPS for single targets.
And it's nice that you think the best way to play Monk is with rear/flank dance, why don't you level up Monk and find out for yourself which is better, instead of assuming you know what is best for a job you don't play? Personally, I have tested both and get much better results with flank rotation. Guess that makes me a bad Monk? -
12-03-2013, 11:05 PMCynricYoshida literally said rear flank dancing is the intended way to play them in the live letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaone
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Q: Please tell us about adjustments planned for jobs other than dragoon.
A: As I mentioned during the previous LIVE letter, there are a lot of cases where melee combos and chains are interrupted making burst DPS difficult, so dragoon and monk will be receiving roughly a 10% increase in damage per second. Rather than reducing the effectiveness of other classes, we will be making adjustments to increase certain elements this time.
Monk's Greased Lightning effect, for example, will be increased. Also, we've noticed that because there are so few damage bonuses for attacking from an enemy's rear, players generally focused on attacking from the side. We'll be increasing bonuses for rear attacks, so if you use monk the way we had intended, your DPS will increase significantly. -
12-03-2013, 11:08 PMAtreidesYes and thats precisely the reason he's buffing rear attacks because as of now, it's not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynric
It's minimal DPS gain IF at all, now they want to make if worthwhile thank god~ -
12-03-2013, 11:11 PMGenesiser
Really the only thing mnks needed was a qol change to GL. You want to know why? It is the single mechanic that makes monk v monk dmg vary so much. I'll give you an idea of what I mean. I was doing my WP farming the other day and my gear is relic along with 3 PC dl, 2 dl rings, and rest is 55-60 Il. When fighting the last boss I normally pull 255-260 dps when I do t mess around with adds. The same fight, I let my stacks fall off 2 times and my dps by the end of the fight plummeted to 210. This right here is why you see so many bad mnks because dropping gl totally destroys your dps. Now I don't have problems keeping 3 stacks, but many others do.
As for the buffs, I'll take an extra 10% dmg and I'll gladly take the more back damage. The back dmg won't be a change for in playstyle because I already dance from the side to the back to maximize my dmg. Currently doing so is a dps increase, but not by much - buffing back dmg will be a welcomed change. -
12-03-2013, 11:12 PMCynricYeah I understand that currently the dps gain is minimal. I said it was intended, never said it was 100% worth it. Ive been doing it this whole time so this doesnt do anything but make me stronger. I cant really complaiinQuote:
Originally Posted by Atreides