NPC Should Not Sell

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Originally Posted by Runeseeker

That would be awesome, do this SE!

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They did, 1.0 had no AH so if you wanted to buy item X you had to go to the cities market ward and search for the item, if that city didn't have it you travelled to another city to search. Then you had to enter the correct floor which held peoples retainers, you thought Odin was bad? Triple the number of participants and put them into one area (retainers) and that is what you'd be looking at. 1.0 needed an AH, it was demanded, now we have one..... you want to get rid of it?

Wow a lot of you don't have a concept of economics what's so ever, I guess you haven't gotten to that part in college yet.

Perspective from the consumers? This is their perspective: "I want everything to be as cheap as possible, heck, can I have it for free?"

That's the real perspective from a consumer.

I encourage some of you to level a craft or several, it seems some of those on the opposite side of the fence in my argument might see what I'm referring to if you do.

i have more concern on ppl that kills the market rather than npc >.< at least npc price is fixed no fluctuation what so ever
but u cant stop ppl from dropping item price by 20 gil each time new seller comes, log in and find matron mistletoe price drop from 80 each to 5 gil >.<
for the consumer, of course 0 gil for 99 item (i.e) will make the smile from ear to ear
i will smile too since i'm also a consumer :)

adjust the price slightly lower than npc and they will sell (for NQ of course)
for HQ price drop its simply because there are more supplier, just find an opportunity in items that dont have much competitor for more profit

what i see in npc price, its like controlling the market price
if there's no npc, where new player want to buy gear? especially for DoL and DoH... the price in AH will all be ridiculous, at start they dont have that much gil
DoW can get their gear from dungeon so they dont care

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Originally Posted by HamHam

Wow a lot of you don't have a concept of economics what's so ever, I guess you haven't gotten to that part in college yet.

Perspective from the consumers? This is their perspective: "I want everything to be as cheap as possible, heck, can I have it for free?"

That's the real perspective from a consumer.

I encourage some of you to level a craft or several, it seems some of those on the opposite side of the fence in my argument might see what I'm referring to if you do.

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Yes consumers want things at the cheapest price, sellers want to charge the highest price... I suggest you keep reading your Econ 101 book until you get to the chapter in "equilibrium price"

Again, if NPCs are selling for less than you are your prices are asking more than the market will bear.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Yes consumers want things at the cheapest price, sellers want to charge the highest price... I suggest you keep reading your Econ 101 book until you get to the chapter in "equilibrium price"

Again, if NPCs are selling for less than you are your prices are asking more than the market will bear.

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Haha, you just proved that I do read my "Econ 101 book".

where in there didn't I make my self clear? Consumers want to buy at the cheapest price, but this is not a discussion about the demand side, but the supply side. The market right now is saturated with items that is not selling because the alternative, provide by the game out of thing air, is the competition.

A supplier can't compete in a market where the product is massively produced out of thing air. (this concept mostly applies to cyber items)

If my competition can make items out of nothing, but it takes me time to prepare the ingredients, material etc... and some items have to be bought at high prices, then how can anyone compete with that? The supplier can't compete in a market constructed like this.

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Originally Posted by HamHam

Haha, you just proved that I do read my "Econ 101 book".where in there didn't I make my self clear? Consumers want to buy at the cheapest price, but this is not a discussion about the demand side, but the supply side. The market right now is saturated with items that is not selling because the alternative, provide by the game out of thing air, is the competition.

A supplier can't compete in a market where the product is massively produced out of thing air. (this concept mostly applies to cyber items)

If my competition can make items out of nothing, but it takes me time to prepare the ingredients, material etc... and some items have to be bought at high prices, then how can anyone compete with that? The supplier can't compete in a market constructed like this.

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And this problem is not due to NPC's. It is due to the fact that ANYONE can BE ANY and ALL Crafters.

The market is what it is right now. It has gotten better since SE put the binding on immediately after first fight rather then when it became spirited.

There is no way to fix it. True free markets fix itself over time. Any tinkering with that process screws it up.

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Originally Posted by DMCain

This is why I purchase almost all my gear from vendors. I refuse to pay the retarded prices players charge for stuff I can get considerably cheaper at a vendor. Get real, why should I pay some schmuck 5k for an item I can get at the vendor for half that, or less?

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Gear from vendors is only cheaper at low levels (maybe 1-15). After that you're better off using the AH as the same item is almost always cheaper.

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Originally Posted by HamHam

but this is not a discussion about the demand side, but the supply side.

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that's true, this mainly concerning suppliers, but what does the consumers do? they compare prices (of course those who don't know just buy what they see)
that's where consumers comes in this discussion, so we need to adapt >.< game economy entirely on players is super awesome, i totally understands u, but they'll never discard the npc

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Originally Posted by HamHam

The market right now is saturated with items that is not selling because the alternative, provide by the game out of thing air

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nope, not because of competition >.< mostly because there is no demand, for NQ that have higher price than npc of course they will chose npc, even without npc they will chose seller that have lower price, and some NQ gear is given in quest. most NQ gear have drop far low then npc, why? too many supplier for NQ item and only a few choose to buy NQ item, nothing will change even if npc is remove

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Originally Posted by HamHam

A supplier can't compete in a market where the product is massively produced out of thing air.

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that is totally insane >.< we cant compete with npc, we just can take advantage of their fix price, to win over consumer

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Originally Posted by HamHam

If my competition can make items out of nothing, but it takes me time to prepare the ingredients, material etc... and some items have to be bought at high prices, then how can anyone compete with that? The supplier can't compete in a market constructed like this.

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that is what we call profit over the cost, u can choose to collect mats urselve
thats reduce the cost to 0, i understand it is not easy >.< but thats what business is about, effort.
i know some of the mats are expensive ie: diremite web 300 each and u need 12 to craft 1 glove, for NQ how much do u get? only 1K gil top it is insane loss >.< but for HQ it can be 4K clearly HQ is more profitable. op for HQ, gather ur mats and u'll be happy, theres no easy gill in crafting but gathering yes

If you're going to divorce the battle classes from the NPC economy you should divorce the crafters from the NPC economy too - no more levequests with insane gil payouts for HQ items.

It'd only be fair.

Some governments are trying to provide everything in everyones life...its not working though.