Concern with Pc Players and Console Players

I don't even care if people don't want to actually talk on voip, all I want is that they can hear what we're saying, this is where battle discussion is, if someone is missing out, then they're the weakest link in our party.
Is it so damning to ask people to just listen?

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

So you are admitting that you lack the skill to work through game content unless you can hear someone telling you what to do?

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Sweet personal attack, bro.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

It doesn't make it a necessity. It doesn't mean people who do not want to use coms will be unable to complete content.

That is the point being made.
Yes some people like it. Some people feel they do better using it. Some people feel they do better without it.

Football teams usually talk to the coach when play is stopped. While the game is actually being played they may shout to each other a little but choices are being made from experience and what they can see. Unless football has changed so much that they are running around with mics and headphones in their ears now.

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You're right, no necessity. I made sure I worded it as such. I just pointed how it could be better in some cases, depending on one's goals, and the fact that's unarguably easier to use a voice chat.

The point being made by the OP is there's "a huge concern that pc players are indeed breaking away from [console] players", that's what I'm discussing. Yes, short of using voice chats, I agree with him.

Football was just an example. As you say choices are made from experience, but to build that experience, you need training. In video games, training is done on-the-fly, there are no training sessions separated from the real matches, thus voice chat is always present. You do speak much more during progression than during farm mode (when you're trying to kill a boss you've never managed to as opposed to killing it for the tenth time). And consider other games/sports where players talk a lot, you might get the idea. Really, you can't argue that voice chat doesn't improve coordination.

In the end, some people don't like it and don't want to use it, so you can't force them (I wish they at least tried if they could, but that another debate); likewise some like it or just know they can't do as good without using it, and you can't force them not to ("not forcing" players goes both ways…); so these two groups of players will just have to accept not to play together. It's a sorry situation but there's no way around it if nobody wants to adapt; and arguably as I explained, the easiest/most efficient way to play is with a voice chat. It's a fact that it's detrimental not to, as far as 'winning' in team-based games is the goal.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

So you are admitting that you lack the skill to work through game content unless you can hear someone telling you what to do?

It is convenient nothing more. I have never played an MMO with coms and none of the guilds/linkshells i have been in ever required it. We completed content just fine. If you are aware of your surroundings and you know what is going on and trust the people you are playing with then it isn't essential.
Stating it is required is just lies. Plenty of people play without it and do just as well as people who do use them.

People like to make others play the way they want. So naturally people who cannot be bothered to type will insist on people needing to use something.

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id say its the difference between clearing an instance and wiping a million times due to lack of communication. voice chat just makes things a lot more organized. period.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

Sweet personal attack, bro.

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It was making an obvious point.

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Originally Posted by kaidennightshade

However Warthain it isn't right for Console gamers to figure out a solution the goal of SE was to make the solution to prevent this, it isn't fair nor right, yes coordinating is easier however if FFXIV REQUIRED voice to win/beat the dungeons/turns/other places etc, they would have added the voice-chat in-game.

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Isn't that arguing against your own point? You are saying SE should make a way for console and pc players to be on a level playing field. They have. Voice chat isn't integrated into one or the other versions of the game and as you said it isn't required to use to beat content. SE isn't the one preventing people from clearing content, it is the community. SE has done their job in my book.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

It was making an obvious point.

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And I'm quite certain you're capable of making a point without personally attacking someone. It worsens your credibility when you do.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

And I'm quite certain you're capable of making a point without personally attacking someone. It worsens your credibility when you do.

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If you actually see the post you can see it was a question. Which the answer was obvious. It may have been blunt. It was hardly a personal attack.
If you want to ignore my points based on that that is up to you.

The one important thing to remember about this stuff is that people are way different in vent etc than their in game personas. Internet anonymity is different when only typed words are involved. The moment you step across the voice barrier, people usually start to become more defensive about their self image and aren't so quick to troll etc in front of other people who suddenly are much more "real." Groups aka guilds/linkshells/free companies/whatever are more likely to stay together as a result. You should absolutely pursue groups that require voice chat for that reason alone. The best groups have always used voice chat and that's why they're the best, but it's not because it helps you win. It's because it helps keep the group together through losses and wins simply come naturally as a result.

I don't really have an answer for PS3 folk except that 1)you should use a SSD on your PS3/PS4 if you can afford it, and 2)if you can manage voice chat in any method I suggest you do it. People don't care if you speak or not. They just want you to be there in the channel, period. As a raid leader the very last thing I want is everyone talking, causing distractions and making my life harder than it needs to be. Beyond the above, you know, I don't know what to say except that your gaming experience will suffer. Not everyone gets the best gaming experience out of MMOs. Just a fact of life. Even if you know what to do, best of luck convincing recruiting FC's to take you on your word. Show them some gear from the raid area and maybe that'll be enough for them to give you a trial run to prove your worth without voice chat.

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

Computers are for making documents and spreadsheets. Video game consoles are for playing video games.

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Are we back in the 80's?