Paladin BiS list?

Really? Curtana +1? Interesting, you are probably only the second person to suggest curtana+1.

Yeah, but the Turn 1 shield only has 7 Acc over the Holy Shield's 7 Skill Speed. That amount of acc will never help, so the Holy Shield IS a bonus somewhat xD

Maybe I should just go Valor Surcoat.. I think it may be the biggest stat upgrade and its BiS.
What do you think juniglee?

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

Really? Curtana +1? Interesting, you are probably only the second person to suggest curtana+1.

Yeah, but the Turn 1 shield only has 7 Acc over the Holy Shield's 7 Skill Speed. That amount of acc will never help, so the Holy Shield IS a bonus somewhat xD

Maybe I should just go Valor Surcoat.. I think it may be the biggest stat upgrade.
What do you think juniglee?

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I'm still on regular Curtana, because 600 mythos spent on +1-ing isn't really fully utilized. You don't need the additional damage to hold aggro, and the stat upgrades are minimal. I did +1 my Shield however - I feel I made the right choice here, as I've done Coil for 4 weeks now, and no signs of the Shield (or the chest piece. Or the flanchards) from Turn 1. Keep in mind that, until 2.1, I expect most Coil parties to consist of 2 Paladins, and my current Coil partner does not have the Allagan shield either, so we'll both end up rolling for it, and one of us will miss out.

I'm personally holding out for the Allagan Chest Piece, then planning to get Valor Circlet to round it off. That should put me way above the Accuracy cap, but seeing as I don't have my Allagan Flanchards yet, at least I can go for my Valor Cuisses + Hoplite Boots combination (the combined accuracy of these 2 parts puts me at 469 accuracy after food - a total of 8 less accuracy than my current Heavy Darklight Flanchards), because at 469 accuracy, I find that I was missing combo'ed attacks against the ADS in Turn 2. I may be over-emphasising the need for hitting the Accuracy cap, but a single miss on Fast Blade or Rage of Halone resets your combo, and thus slows down your enmity gain rate. Given how fast Bards and Black Mages gain aggro against a PLD with regular Curtana in Shield Oath, a miss is costly. Even worse, missing your silence against ADS as a backup silencer will also result in a wipe.

If you upgrade to Valor Cuisses instead, you gain the same upgrades as you would upgrading Hoplite Tabard to Valor Surcoat, except you gain 24 Accuracy and 10 Parry, and losing 17 Critical Rate. The Cuisses and the Surcoat are of the same price. Later on down the road, if you think that you have no Accuracy problems, the Surcoat is a good purchase. The BiS sets listed above are overloaded on Accuracy from other parts (having the Allagan chest piece will put the set's accuracy to 500+, which is overkill), so the Surcoat is listed as BiS, since you don't need that additional Accuracy, and can get some extra Parry instead.

Confused, if Valor Surcoat is BiS, then how come you are holding out for the Allagan chest piece?

I don't have DL feet/legs yet so I was gonna get the 1k philosophy to get that, then get Valor Surcoat. Is this a bad idea?

Is the valor boots better than the allagan boots?

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

Confused, if Valor Surcoat is BiS, then how come you are holding out for the Allagan chest piece?

I don't have DL feet/legs yet so I was gonna get the 1k philosophy to get that, then get Valor Surcoat. Is this a bad idea?

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For the short term, I need the Accuracy to try Turn 5. Plus, I don't have enough mythology stones to get the Surcoat for the next 2 weeks anyway.

It's not a bad idea, as the DL legs gives you 24 Accuracy - 8 more than Valor Cuisses/Hoplite Sabatons. But for starters, both the DL chest and the Surcoat don't give you any Accuracy, so you're not missing a thing there. Now that I think about it...Surcoat/Hoplite Circlet actually gives you a +15 Accuracy compared to DL chest, I'd say it's a good investment.

Also, some time in the near future, I plan to train a Marauder, so Allagan is interchangeable between both PLD and WAR. Whereas Valor is PLD only.

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Originally Posted by Yiell

Is the valor boots better than the allagan boots?

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If you check the link posted by Sigrunn in post #2, page 1. There's two different BiS sets listed there. Valor Boots are listed for both, since it has both Accuracy and Parry - two stats you'll want as a PLD. The difference between them is that Allagan boots gets +6 more Parry, which you're not missing out much on.

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

Confused, if Valor Surcoat is BiS, then how come you are holding out for the Allagan chest piece?

I don't have DL feet/legs yet so I was gonna get the 1k philosophy to get that, then get Valor Surcoat. Is this a bad idea?

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allagan gives you a higher accuracy buff than valor, and drops on turn 1, so most pallys just go and pick up that instead of dropping the 825 myths (i still intend to get it regardless, found that i can make up the loss of accuracy with a hero's ring and melded rose gold earcuffs.)

still find it ridiculous how reliant all of the classes are on RNG to get best in slot.

Id say improve yourself where you can. You can focus myth's at BiS at 1st but at some point you'll have to decide what to get with your coil drops, while keeping accuracy high enough. You can try to hold out for w/e coil drop you want in certain slots but due to rng you may not have any of them before next ilv upgrade release, or you might buy 1side grade myth piece and get that piece next coil. Hope for the best, expect the worst. Also keep in mind that even if the item you want drops and your needing against another tank, there's another rng chance.
Anyways Debby Downer out.

Gryphonskin is definitely better than most Allagan accessories. Eventually in coil extra dps/threat generation is more useful than a miniscule amount of parry / hp. If you have 6300-6500 buffed your good to go.

On the subject of sacrificing VIT to gain STR and/or DEX, in terms of survivability, the answer is definitively "NO".

It terms of increasing survivability/EHP VIT is weighted so heavily in comparison to STR/VIT/Block and Parry Tiers that it's all quite literally irrelevant. Your BiS set as a PLD focusing on survivability should be configured within the confines of i90 gear. End of story.

If however you wanted your PLD to play more like a semi-tank/semi-dps hybrid then crafted accessories are certainly the way to go.

Please refer to various previous posts I have made on the subject. Particularly, read this post (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...=1#post5949753) and the following conversation.


In regards to the Valor Hands/Valor feet discussion there are TWO 'true' best in slot sets.:
The ones you see in the post linked to in the first reply (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1437211 for reference) use Allagan hands and Allagan feet however, you can easily trade these out for Valor hands and valor feet and you will hit the exact same accuracy and parry number. The difference here being a small trade-off between crit and det, which makes your choice of which set to use trivial. Go with what you can make first (coil RNG etc) or go with what you think looks more stylish.


tldr;
1 VIT is better than a block tier increase.
1 VIT is better than a parry tier increase.
2 VIT is better than a block and parry tier increase.
BiS: Click here - Possible to replace Allagan hands/feet for Valor/hands feet to acheive identical parry and accuracy.

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

What is the BiS slot list for Paladin that minimizes Parry so that you only reach the 482 cap for all turns of BC.

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You have two options. +Vit and +Parry (normal +HP route) or +Str/Dex and +Parry (max +Block/Parry route)
(There's a third option that increases DPS without sacrificing much Vit or extreme amounts of Parry, but I'm assuming you want maximum +mitigation...)

For the first option, you have the Pre and Post-clearing Turn 5 builds mentioned above.

For the second, an example (post Turn 5) is below.

Neck: Melded Gryphonskin
Ear: Melded Rosegold Earcuffs
Wrist: Melded Gryphonskin
Ring1: Melded Gryphonskin
Ring2: Melded Gryphonskin

Weapon: Allagan Blade
Offhand: Allagan Shield
Head: Allagan
Body: Valor
Hands: Valor
Waist: Allagan
Legs: Valor
Feet: Allagan

Grand Total: (with above gear on a 'Sea Wolf', no food)
406 Str, 234 Dex, 493 Vit, 585 Parry, 473 Acc, 383 Crit, 260 Det, 359 SS
HP: 6447.285 (in Party, no food) - Needs approx +7-9 Acc from Food to hit the Coil 5 Acc cap

Compared to the Post-T5 +Vit/+Parry BIS builds, you'd basically sacrifice 9 Parry, 25 Vit and 2 Acc for 45 Dex, 45 Str, 31 Crit, 30 Det and 7 SS.

In exchange for 5.3% HP, that basically adds one Block/Parry Strength Tier (+1% strength, or about ~0.25% extra damage mitigation from parry over time, and the same from block) and very roughly around +0.5%-0.6% Block/Parry chance. Oh, and somewhere in the region of +15-20% DPS (and all the additional enmity that comes with it)