People will no stack WHM in 24 man content. SCH/WHM is King forever.

Realistically, the SCH complaint is that due to WHM having flat out amazing aoe heals and SCH having very weak aoe heals. (Succor heals for about 360 in full DL with relic +1 for any WHM who don't know.) On aoe heavy encounters groups can take Whm/Whm, or Whm/Sch, or even solo Whm (TitanHM) but not Sch/Sch (Not that this isn't possible, just very very inefficient.) Sch is preventive healing that shields for stronger aoe heals to fill them up: two Whm can fill people up with ease while tank healing, while two Sch have to work really hard to do the same thing. Sch just doesnt have the numbers to bring people up without multiple casts for the same healing one Whm aoe can heal. Shields just don't equal healing when you need to bring people up after huge aoe hits.


Also since someone is going to say it, Eos aoe HoT has a long CD, small aoe, and depends on placement, careful management of obey (tanks pulling, better pop my strongest aoe! -every Eos ever.) and the luck of hoping it doesn't get hit by stupid things and die.

Last note, Whm doesnt need a nerf, Sch just needs a slight buff. Anyone complaining about who can heal a WP speedrun better should go talk to the poor melee DPS who never see them.

I wonder what aggro would look like casting a single Medica II if the groups actually were 24 players. :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raminax

I wonder what aggro would look like casting a single Medica II if the groups actually were 24 players. :p

---

Omg, stop being suicidal! Are you TRYING to kill yourself by casting Medica II on all of us? D:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raminax

I wonder what aggro would look like casting a single Medica II if the groups actually were 24 players. :p

---

Oh god. Worth testing when it comes out for the LOLs.

I love Scholars and always want one in the party! I am leveling Arcanist now just so I can unlock it! I think he way these 2 healers work together is one of the best mechanics in this game. I don't know why people make issues out of everything.....I just think these are the jobs that are working as intended. I know it is going to be tough to learn the mechanics involved with Scholar but I am really looking forward to it. Thanks for such a great post, as I think all us healers need to stick together!

I have both whm/sch both with garuda and in all ak with few dl gear. Stuck on titan due to incompetent teams and have healed with both whm/sch. I agree with the op. Whm/sch wombo combo is so much better than having twins in all aspects. Only thing is that the sch must know that he needs to shield early, not reactively. Then everything is k.

While I DO agree that Scholar's are not as bad as people make it out to be, the lack of AoE healing CAN make it difficult at times for some solo content... But at the point that's an issue, something has gone seriously wrong, and it's not really our fault that everybody is getting to half health in 4 man content. Either DPS stood in stuff or the tank lost enmity.

One thing I disagree with you about is that we aren't reactive healers. Our bubble effect on Adlo isn't enough to give us a break in healing in any sort of difficult content, like most 4 man bosses/tough trash or any 8 man content. Yea the average Adlo heal + bubble heals for more than one Physick, but only by about 200-300 extra, and it costs three times as much to use. It is literally better in 80% of all situations to just spam Physick, healing like a WHM would with Cure. Playing this way, you will NEVER run out of MP.

I mean, just add up the numbers. On average, my Physick cures for 800-900 non crit for what... 100-150 MP? I think its around 120 for me. Adlo cures for about 500ish non crit for over 300 MP. Two Physicks cure for 1600 for under 300 MP, where as one Adlo does a total healing of around 1000-1100 for around 320-350 MP.

I would LOVE to be a preventative healer. But the MP costs are so steep, and the absorption amounts so low on non crits that it just isn't worth using so often, as you WILL burn through MP by trying to keep Adlo up all the time. Which makes us essentially like a WHM, spamming our version of Cure

using macros makes a great scholar, we can dot and personally i can raize while im still healing with selene and eos, we can heal 2 persons at the same time, we have protect spells and using our aetherflow properly will grant us almost unlimited mana and in some dungeons i can heal only with my pet while im recharging mana, using the pet buff, she can heal very well

I feel more comfortable with a SCH as my healing partner than another WHM. I love the support of those damage shields provide. The one "exception" to this sentiment is Titan HM, where I prefer a three healer setup with two WHM and a SCH.

I've seen a lot of people play scholar very very wrong. I was guilty of it as well as a fresh scholar. Unless a SCH knows the fight, and properly manages their pet and CDs, they will be poor healers. Once everything is done correctly, scholar will surpass an equally geared WHM for tank healing by a decent margin, esp in the mana management and hp fluctuations. On serious AOE damage, scholars have the tools to keep under-geared people alive which would otherwise die if reactive healing was used, hell, even people who for some reason were not topped off before the hit.

Any WHM that has played with a good SCH knows they will make your life a lot easier.

Best example i have is turn 2 and 4, on turn 2 on the split, when the stacks get high, there's always a big hit that will drop the tanks health by 70%, it always comes at a roughly set interval, as a sch, using virus, eye for eye, sacred soil (rotate) and start using aldo to heal before it will make a massive impact on how big that drop is and the catch up is much easier. Same with turn 4 when the big guy eats the spiders and hits the tank like a truck, using proper rotation makes the tanks hp not dip to 10% every few seconds and require both the tank and healers to replace underwear.

when the tank gets hit for 7k, that 10% damage reduction and that 800 hp shield suddenly look really good as they turn that into a ~5.5k hit which is 1 less heal needed. That's 3 seconds saved by preparing for it when the tank was stable. All the skills required for preparation are also off-gcd. That should provide a big hint as to how se envisioned the class to be played. Hell, even the ARC story quests keep stressing that! Plan ahead, you can do so using off-gcd skills with 0 impact on your effectiveness. Yes, it requires more micro-management, yes it requires more knowledge of the fight, but the reward is massive when done right and in hard content will make or break the fight.

Remember, on big aoe hits, if you really wanna make massive difference, eye for eye on the tank will lower it, as it causes the mob to deal 10% less damage. Sacred soil will lower it by another 10%, virus will also lower it, and succor + pet buff will make succor shield for about ?450ish in decent gear. On a 3k+ aoe, just sacred soil and empowered succor prevents about 700damage. That will make the difference between people getting killed by it and making it alive. WHM cannot do anything other than pray. Succor with the pet heal buff (?fey illumination) will shield all dps for as much as upgraded stoneskin.

Scholars do not need a buff, too many people picked it up to lvl as a summoner since it's easier and started healing like we're a WHM, that will not work. If you don't think you can do a good job as a SCH or don't like the healing style, roll a WHM, they use the same exact gear minus weapon. If they buff our direct aoe healing, they will nerf our preventative healing/cds and we'll just be another WHM. If we can do both, what's the point of WHM?