Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

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Originally Posted by Thela

But isn't this table made prior to 4.05? I mean i didn't do the math myself but have seen several datasets showing the exact opposite for 4.05 than what this table shows.

At the end of the day, do whichever you feel most comfortable with the difference isn't great. If you lookup the top BLM parses for savage most i have seen are using the 4.0 rotation almost exclusively.

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No, that's why the cast times are 2.8s.
Nothing else changed regarding the rotation (other than free Foul, but that just means, together with the reduced cast times, that you can put it anywhere).
I know the difference isn't great, but I like to min/max, so if something's wrong there, I'd like to see it (a source for your data works too).

I've done up to O3S using the hybrid rotation (pretty much only casting Blizzard 4 if Convert is about to come off cooldown, occasionally throwing it in if I'm entering AF after having just refreshed Thunder) and I've gotten like 4.5k dps or so in good pick up groups. I think the numbers supporting the hybrid rotation are trustworthy.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

New one has higher pps now. 141.25 (for 3.X) VS 139.12 (for 4.05).

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So, did nothing change? Are we still doing:

B4 opener, 3.x f4x5, 4.x with TC, 3.x f4x5, 4.x with TC, 3.x f4x5, start over from B4 opener...

Also, is my understanding correct in saying that the only reason to do the 4.x rotation is TC? What about LL? Is LL enough of a buff that I can replace the second 3.x f4x5 with a 4.x?

I feel like from your posts, you are pointing to B4 opener being the only time to use B4...

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Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo

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TC in UI make you go 3.X, actually.
You go 4.0 if the mana ticks do not refund a hardcast T3 (since that won't give you enough mana for 4x F4s, which is a pps loss).
Sometimes, you get an instant tick and can T3>Foul, so you go 3.X.
But some other times the opposite happens, and you go Foul>T3. If you think you won't get a fast enough tick to get a T3 refund, you go B4 and straight into the 4.0 rotation.
TC in UI means a free T3, so there's nothing preventing you from going 3.X.
Unless the tables are wrong and I'm missing something.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

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Ok, so:

1. What's the deal with the B4 opener? Is it a go or no go?

2. How does TC in UI make a 3.x? The timing seems like (T3@2.5s F3@instant mana tick cut off) would leave more opportunity for AF to cut off the last mana tick because of the instant cast.

3. How does the math for LL fit into all this and how does it affect choosing between (4 and 3).x?

4. You mentioned 4x F4. Are we running (3.x 4xF4) or (3.x 5xF4) since SB 4.05?

So i was wondering would a DH heavy blm beat a SS heavy blm?

If i were to solo test this theory how would i go about it?

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

So i was wondering would a DH heavy blm beat a SS heavy blm?

If i were to solo test this theory how would i go about it?

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I'm no math guy but the easy way would be to max meld as much G6 of the stat you're trying to test into your gear, smack a dummy for a while, and then swap the materia out for the other stat and repeat, recording numbers or something. (I'm oversimplifying this)

But I doubt DH would ever beat SpS. Faster cast times for a Job with no resource issues is god-like. It also gives us more wiggle room for mechanics, which DH doesn't help with.

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Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo

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1. I use it. Aligns my AF really nicely with trick attack/stratagem/other buffs that comes out on the 5/6th gcd.

2. I was assuming you'd also Foul (which should be true most of the time). If not, then, like you said, it depends on how fast the tick is again (you can do TC>F3 if it's instant without much concern).

3. It doesn't matter, all that it changes is the timing window for the mana tick. This is simply something you gain with experience.

4. I said that if you were to mess up the mana ticks and do the 3.X rotation without getting a T3 refund, then you wouldn't have mana for the 5xF4 3.X rotation, and that's a big pps loss, so you only 3.X when you're sure you're going into AF with full mana.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

So i was wondering would a DH heavy blm beat a SS heavy blm?

If i were to solo test this theory how would i go about it?

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Bash a dummy for 20 minutes with each set and see which set comes out on top.
Important to keep all other variables as controlled as possible.
The answer to this question isn't obvious in my head, and it might depend a good deal if the speed tier you end up in grants you some important windows (clipping one last spell in Ley Lines or pot, for example).

I see someone posted 4.x rotation is higher pps and to shelf the 3.0 hybrid? Some data would be nice to accompany the claim. The only reason I'm ever using B4 in my rotation are the following: 1, it's the opener; 2, convert is coming off CD; 3, i get a slow mana tick. I don't really see the reason to use it otherwise unless there's cold hard facts in favor of a 4.x rotation.