What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I was specifying her because the other charcaters at least had something somewhat significant they were doing this expansion. But i cant for the life of me think of anything she did this expansion of substantial value.

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She’s a cat girl. There’s the reason. /s

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Their sole measure shouldn't be based solely on the given fact of what they do this expansion, or have done this expansion, but their planned endeavours for her going forward. Which if she's planning to work on a method for traversing the reflections is pretty darn significant. Given how late their eluded deaths were, then beyond that immediate point none of them really served any significant purpose anyway. So in reality they could have killed off any one of the scions. Besides the more they done and contributed up towards that point would have made for a much more impactful and surprising death.

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I mean, i disagree, i think it should be measured that way because why have a character who has no plot relevance? All for a "maybe in the future"? Like how maybe in the future theyll finally bring back her life draining plot?If a character isnt doing anything for the plot, then at that point theyre stale and need to be replaced. Its just another part of the whole plot armor bias situation. She did nothing for the plot this expansion, why have her continue to stick around when that position can be given to another character that could actually have some worth and relevance.They did it for lyse. She did what she had to do and they wrote her out when she wasnt contributing much. The same should go for yshtola. She contributed very little.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

She’s a cat girl. There’s the reason. /s

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I think it's pretty safe to remove the /s and it would still be a correct answer XD

Just look at how many people simp for her and her version of the high-school au manga.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I was actually adding onto the discussion of the entire topic, I'm sure you knew that.
Only like the first two sentences were directed at her. Nice try.

You guys get extremely hostile when someone says one thing they don't like about this game and it's annoying.
What's the point of the forum if the first thing people are gonna is call you a troll for it? I'm not sure what's worse this or Reddit.
You can barely discuss on here without getting sent to the stake LOL.

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I didnt shorten the Quote like I was suppose to lol.
I was just addressing the 1st half. Ah well, thats my Fail.

I wasn't even being Hostile. I just found it funny that you took a Meme/Joke image that seriously. Maybe somebody thinks its a troll thread...ok?...ignore them, and focus on the people adding to the conversation.
Nobody is taking away anybodies right or ability to Criticize the game, especially when there are in fact valid Criticisms.
Everyone is allowed to voice their opinion, Good and Bad. Just like everyone is allowed to disagree with said opinion. But for some odd reason there is this idea that "Im allowed to say whatever I want...but nobody is allowed to Disagree with me"
I think that is way more Hostile then some "This is Bait" image. Or somebody disagreeing.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I didnt shorten the Quote like I was suppose to lol.
I was just addressing the 1st half. Ah well, thats my Fail.

I wasn't even being Hostile. I just found it funny that you took a Meme/Joke image that seriously. Maybe somebody thinks its a troll thread...ok?...ignore them, and focus on the people adding to the conversation.
Nobody is taking away anybodies right or ability to Criticize the game, especially when there are in fact valid Criticisms.
Everyone is allowed to voice their opinion, Good and Bad. Just like everyone is allowed to disagree with said opinion. But for some odd reason there is this idea that "Im allowed to say whatever I want...but nobody is allowed to Disagree with me"
I think that is way more Hostile then some "This is Bait" image. Or somebody disagreeing.

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I think the problem is that typically, people chalking off a thread as bait or a troll is done whenever someone is critiquing the game. Its done deliberately in a way to try and stifle discussion which is just extremely rude tbh. Lets not act like this is some shocking thing, its happened plenty of times around these parts, specially when it comes to lore.

I thought it was fine.

Y’shtola does not need plot armor, she has marketing armor. She is the FFXIV mascot used in other SE games and in advertising. She is just as immortal as us and the only thing that will happen to her is a nice cozy retirement when the time comes, no death, no harm.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I think the problem is that typically, people chalking off a thread as bait or a troll is done whenever someone is critiquing the game. Its done deliberately in a way to try and stifle discussion which is just extremely rude tbh. Lets not act like this is some shocking thing, its happened plenty of times around these parts, specially when it comes to lore.

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I think what ticks most people off about the lore is the bad faith stuff that's talked about in the lore thread. There's not so much lore discussion going on as "I don't like this part of the game, it's bad writing, I don't know what the devs were thinking or how anyone can like this story! This character is undoubtedly the most evil villain in any FF games ever!" If someone doesn't enjoy the story, that's fine, but acting like the story is objectively bad (when story enjoyment is a subjective thing), and that people who do like it or certain characters are somehow dumb for doing so, is going to get people riled.

i dont see whats wrong with making zodiark is mid tier boss/filler. i mean this is the same case with star wars right? they portray snke like bid bad boss and die midway of trilogy.

although in star wars case it got replaced by even shittier figure lol. in ff14 case though, i welcome the surprise/plot twist.

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Originally Posted by gumas

they portray snke like bid bad boss and die midway of trilogy.

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Which was heavily criticized and ruined any of the Sith storytelling for that trilogy.