Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Keeping the lines open to communicate... what, though? They've said there won't be anything coming in the foreseeable future. If they have to repeat at every interview that they're still not coming, that's time that could be spent on another question.

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I wasn't aware they were being asked about male viera and female hrothgar in every single interview. News to me.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I wasn't aware they were being asked about male viera and female hrothgar in every single interview. News to me.

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When people try to wedge questions about Viera and Hrothgar into things like the "Q&A with the sound director" call for questions, it certainly seems like people expect them to discuss it in every interview - regardless of the relevance, and when they've made it clear that there's no more to say.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

When people try to wedge questions about Viera and Hrothgar into things like the "Q&A with the sound director" call for questions, it certainly seems like people expect them to discuss it in every interview - regardless of the relevance, and when they've made it clear that there's no more to say.

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This is pretty much what I was loosely talking about.
Plus during a few Livestreams people SPAMMED Male Viera. That to me is a level of Pestering and Pushing

I realise it may be an exercise in frustration to point it out yet again, though one of the reasons a lot of people in this thread feel so passionately about the idea of male viera is due to the unfortunate track record of male characters being left out in regards to character customisation. It's perfectly possible to enjoy the game but be disappointed in the way in which certain situations have been handled.

It also doesn't particularly matter if some people were spamming live stream chats with requests for male viera to be added to the game. Objectively speaking, live stream chats move very quickly and are mostly filled with nonsensical spam in general. In fact, I distinctly recall a lot of people spamming the chat with comments relating to the 2B outfit controversy.

Yeah, Livestream is usually filled with whatever is a meme recently. If it weren't Male Viera it'd be "BUTT SLIDERS WHEN"

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Originally Posted by Iscah

When people try to wedge questions about Viera and Hrothgar into things like the "Q&A with the sound director" call for questions, it certainly seems like people expect them to discuss it in every interview - regardless of the relevance, and when they've made it clear that there's no more to say.

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I'm just saying I'm appreciative that Yoshi P would be willing to comment on it again, that's all.
And for the record, no, they don't get asked about male viera and female hrothgar in every interview. That's ridiculous. They sometimes have people going through questions and pick out some of them for their Q&A sessions.

You know, it's always "people did this" "people did that" in my thread. Sometimes I feel like a manager at some fast food joint taking in these complaints. How is that relevant to my thread, and why should I be responsible for what other people choose to do? Take it up with HR, Karen.

A lot of the people in this thread are just talking about male viera appearances, posting art, etc... and I really doubt anyone here is taking part in any of those interviews.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This is pretty much what I was loosely talking about.
Plus during a few Livestreams people SPAMMED Male Viera. That to me is a level of Pestering and Pushing

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People spam livestream chats all the time with a whole lot of nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Senn

People spam livestream chats all the time with a whole lot of nonsense.

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So its just ok to do then, got it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So its just ok to do then, got it.

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Obviously not. I don't condone it.

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Originally Posted by Senn

People spam livestream chats all the time with a whole lot of nonsense.

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Case and point was the art stream where they had to stop playing the Rak'tika Theme because everyone Spammed Scree and Lahee. I don't think people spamming "Male Viera" is antagonistic, it is getting the point across that they want MV. At every time it's been present there have been other spams for other desired additions (New healer comes to mind, or rework Blue Mage) I don't think it is a good way of getting the message across, but it can't be said to a "male Viera" support issue when the community as a whole has done it since ARR for a variety of things.

I don't understand why we have to defend the very existence of this thread.

The topic is something some people care for and like to talk about in which this thread is no different to other threads in this forum. As long as the discussion is handled in a civilized manner and not too far offtopic I don't get why it is such a problem for some that people come together here to show their appreciation and support for male Viera.

Also I am not reponsible for other people during livestreams and I certainly am not one of those that spam male Viera every opportunity. Report those that do. But please do not come in this thread and assume everyone that is supporting of the idea of implementing the missing genders is the same. This thread has nothing to do with livestream spamming. It is for showing our love for male Viera. Thank you.

This thread pretty much reminds me the one from 2011 where people asked for inclusion of female Highlanders + Roegadyns and male Miqo'te. The situation on a development level is different, yes, but in general it's the same story all over again. Even topics for argues aren't any new from what they were back then. Also that player from the very 1st page that was against their implementation... with male Miqo'te on usepric. Irony, isn't it. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Schwarzwind

I don't understand why we have to defend the very existence of this thread.

The topic is something some people care for and like to talk about in which this thread is no different to other threads in this forum. As long as the discussion is handled in a civilized manner and not too far offtopic I don't get why it is such a problem for some that people come together here to show their appreciation and support for male Viera.

Also I am not reponsible for other people during livestreams and I certainly am not one of those that spam male Viera every opportunity. Report those that do. But please do not come in this thread and assume everyone that is supporting of the idea of implementing the missing genders is the same. This thread has nothing to do with livestream spamming. It is for showing our love for male Viera. Thank you.

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If u dont want male viera I don't get why would u waste your time and come here, specially considering that u arent gonna change anything and the devs have probably already made their decisions. At this point, this thread is just here to discuss and show the devs we still want them, if u dont, that's fine, but it puzzles me how some posters spend their days tryign to tell off ppl who do want their implementation

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Originally Posted by Halivel

This thread pretty much reminds me the one from 2011 where people asked for inclusion of female Highlanders + Roegadyns and male Miqo'te. The situation on a development level is different, yes, but in general it's the same story all over again. Even topics for argues aren't any new from what they were back then. Also that player from the very 1st page that was against their implementation... with male Miqo'te on usepric. Irony, isn't it. /shrug

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Oh, even the races in question are similar lol. Miqote and viera are both humans with animal ears, and roegadyn have a semi-identical body type and personality as hrotgar. Story does repeat itself it seems

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Originally Posted by Schwarzwind

I don't understand why we have to defend the very existence of this thread.

The topic is something some people care for and like to talk about in which this thread is no different to other threads in this forum. As long as the discussion is handled in a civilized manner and not too far offtopic I don't get why it is such a problem for some that people come together here to show their appreciation and support for male Viera.

Also I am not reponsible for other people during livestreams and I certainly am not one of those that spam male Viera every opportunity. Report those that do. But please do not come in this thread and assume everyone that is supporting of the idea of implementing the missing genders is the same. This thread has nothing to do with livestream spamming. It is for showing our love for male Viera. Thank you.

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When did you ever have to Defend it? Its just a thread, there isn't some Gamer War or whatever going on. And its not like this is the only thread with people with Various Opinions and Hot Takes. Calm down bro.
And the Whole Livestream thing was a separate conversation that has nothing to do with this thread. Weird how people are suddenly so focused on it.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

If u dont want male viera I don't get why would u waste your time and come here, specially considering that u arent gonna change anything and the devs have probably already made their decisions. At this point, this thread is just here to discuss and show the devs we still want them, if u dont, that's fine, but it puzzles me how some posters spend their days tryign to tell off ppl who do want their implementation

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This is a Public Forum for any registered User, People are allowed to voice their opinion wither or not they agree with the topic. Why do people get so defensive when somebody voices a different opinion? It adds to the discussion, and you can choose to engage it or ignore it. There is 2 sides to every coin no matter where you go.
Unless Square or whoever decides to go Ban-Happy and Censors anybody who disagrees with somebody, or you make your own Private Forum that you will Police, this will never change.
Nobody is taking your Thread away from you, and you shouldn't be bothered by anybody who thinks differently then you.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I saw this a while ago, but felt like commenting on it now. Yoshi P didn't say anything we didn't already know. However, I'm glad the team is considering feedback and trying their best, even though this is not something that can easily be incorporated. I'm also thankful that Yoshi P would bother touching upon this topic once again - it reassures me that they are at least thinking about this even now.

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It's sad though. A good portion of people that want male Viera don't see it this way. They are just mindless zombies that spam they want male Viera. Take for example all the threads that were created when male Viera wasn't being added at the time on release. All the threads of people "quitting" and that they were upset and this and that. Even though the task to implement races takes time and resources as stated and they went through with it because Viera was highly...very highly requested and their own race, they did it for the fans(Viera). But of course, there will always be those individuals who take things out of hand and are hard to appease no matter what SE does. They have no patience and expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

[...]Why do people get so defensive when somebody voices a different opinion? It adds to the discussion, and you can choose to engage it or ignore it. [...]

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Why? Because somebody, as you gave for the example (although there are several people), can't read a thread's title.

The name is Support and NOT Discussion.

It's not "Do you want male Viera playable? Let's discuss", but the title you can read up there when you scroll a little.

(That ever-returning obstacle really frustrates me, I must say.)

I honestly wonder:
Do you guys waltz to a demonstration of your buddies - just in order to hold up a banner that's entirely the opposite to what said companions are there for?
(If your answer is Yes, I'll eat a broom.)

Also, if so many people decide to ignore the thread's purpose, I could also play Wild West--- ergo, post left and right screenshots of my Male-Elezen-cosplays-a-Viera-alt or the fresh female-Viera-pretends-to-be-a-guy-alt. And you all weren't allowed to complain about it; according to your own behaviour. xP

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

Why? Because somebody, as you gave for the example (although there are several people), can't read a thread's title.

The name is Support and NOT Discussion.

It's not "Do you want male Viera playable? Let's discuss", but the title you can read up there when you scroll a little.

(That ever-returning obstacle really frustrates me, I must say.)

I honestly wonder:
Do you guys waltz to a demonstration of your buddies - just in order to hold up a banner that's entirely the opposite to what said companions are there for?
(If your answer is Yes, I'll eat a broom.)

Also, if so many people decide to ignore the thread's purpose, I could also play Wild West--- ergo, post left and right screenshots of my Male-Elezen-cosplays-a-Viera-alt or the fresh female-Viera-pretends-to-be-a-guy-alt. And you all weren't allowed to complain about it; according to your own behaviour. xP

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A forum is for discussion whether its appreciated or not.
Chill out.

Following Melody's lead and getting this back on track!

I was very excited to see Matsuno was brought back for the Save the Queen questline, while nothing tangible yet, the hope is there.
While I know it was created by a different team at SE, the handling of the Honeybee Inn in the new VII remake was very well done with their handling of gender topics. (trying to keep it spoiler free for people)

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Originally Posted by Andavar

Following Melody's lead and getting this back on track!

I was very excited to see Matsuno was brought back for the Save the Queen questline, while nothing tangible yet, the hope is there.
While I know it was created by a different team at SE, the handling of the Honeybee Inn in the new VII remake was very well done with their handling of gender topics. (trying to keep it spoiler free for people)

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the honeybee inn is the best and most iconic cutscene from that game imo. I think we will see hrotgar queen at 5.5, wit hthem saying things like 'I'm sorry the queen can't be here' etc, and then theyll be revealed either at the first trailer as a character and an official reveal at JP fanfest, or just JP fanfest

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

Why? Because somebody, as you gave for the example (although there are several people), can't read a thread's title.

The name is Support and NOT Discussion.

It's not "Do you want male Viera playable? Let's discuss", but the title you can read up there when you scroll a little.

(That ever-returning obstacle really frustrates me, I must say.)

I honestly wonder:
Do you guys waltz to a demonstration of your buddies - just in order to hold up a banner that's entirely the opposite to what said companions are there for?
(If your answer is Yes, I'll eat a broom.)

Also, if so many people decide to ignore the thread's purpose, I could also play Wild West--- ergo, post left and right screenshots of my Male-Elezen-cosplays-a-Viera-alt or the fresh female-Viera-pretends-to-be-a-guy-alt. And you all weren't allowed to complain about it; according to your own behaviour. xP

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Your on an Open Forum, forums are for discussion. Unless the thread is locked or Heavily Policed with an Iron Fist, discussion on both ends will commence.
Doesn't matter what the topic is, and this happens in real life to. Although, some of those "Demonstrations" as you wanna call them have security and actually have Policed rules. This is an Open Forum, no such rule exists unless a Mod or an Admin Dictates it.

Im not sure if I can call this a Strawman argument...but it kinda shoots over what Im trying to say. Yes, this is a Male Viera Support Thread, but that doesn't mean somebody can't come in and start or join discussions about if they agree with the idea of Male Viera, how they would/could be implemented, and whatnot. Discussion doesn't ignore the Threads Purpose, Its stays on topic about Male Viera, and these Discussions you seem to not want to happen, have helped Expand this thread, which brings more attention to it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Discussion doesn't ignore the Threads Purpose, Its stays on topic about Male Viera, and these Discussions you seem to not want to happen, have helped Expand this thread, which brings more attention to it.

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The recent budget-expansion-conversation clearly does not match this thread at all when there's already a current spot for this very matter.
Furthermore, it's no good attention at all, when some forum-users waltz every now and then into this bunny-boy-support-corner JUST to shoot the hopes of others down with belittling comments a la you-won't-get-them-ever-so-stop-dreaming-dummies.

Is it so absurd to respect the good-natured intention of this thread and simply SUPPORT the wish for playable males? If it is, then tell me why people even click this thread. Only for being cynical?

When I click this thread, I want to see interesting fan-concepts (text, sketches, cosplays) and read ideas how things could be implemented ingame. Yet, many things on all these pages imply that several people have more fun turning a sweet-attempt-of-a-thread into a text-accumulation against the original purpose.

So often I hear is "discussion", "discussion", "discussion"... You want to discuss? Then discuss the really fascinating stuff - like in, would male Viera have faces similar soft to the Miqo'te-boys or more adult like Elezen-men. Or how buff /muscular a Hroth-lady would be, in case you honestly want to expand the conversation. There's also the question, what a default outfit for the two of them could be.

No. This race is garbage and should be removed from the game completely. Unfortunately, i cant talk about the kind of people this race appeals to because the snowflakes would melt and the mods would have a meltdown

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

The recent budget-expansion-conversation clearly does not match this thread at all when there's already a current spot for this very matter.
Furthermore, it's no good attention at all, when some forum-users waltz every now and then into this bunny-boy-support-corner JUST to shoot the hopes of others down with belittling comments a la you-won't-get-them-ever-so-stop-dreaming-dummies.

Is it so absurd to respect the good-natured intention of this thread and simply SUPPORT the wish for playable males? If it is, then tell me why people even click this thread. Only for being cynical?

When I click this thread, I want to see interesting fan-concepts (text, sketches, cosplays) and read ideas how things could be implemented ingame. Yet, many things on all these pages imply that several people have more fun turning a sweet-attempt-of-a-thread into a text-accumulation against the original purpose.

So often I hear is "discussion", "discussion", "discussion"... You want to discuss? Then discuss the really fascinating stuff - like in, would male Viera have faces similar soft to the Miqo'te-boys or more adult like Elezen-men. Or how buff /muscular a Hroth-lady would be, in case you honestly want to expand the conversation. There's also the question, what a default outfit for the two of them could be.

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That is some serious b.s.. Wow. Your last sentences prove that much. Imagine being so offended that people on an open forum didn't follow your ridiculous rules. Stereotypes getting mad. LOL.

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Well, yeah, it's not good to spam - like in the streams and etc, but no one here is really doing that so it's kind of like... why even bring this up? The front pages of this thread have a lot of people overreacting and accusing the devs of things (which I don't agree with), ok, but we've moved past that. I don't really condone that kind of behavior.

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Originally Posted by Nhisso

No. This race is garbage and should be removed from the game completely. Unfortunately, i cant talk about the kind of people this race appeals to because the snowflakes would melt and the mods would have a meltdown

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That's cool if you don't want them included, but I'd really like to know what kind of people this race appeals to in your opinion? You say you can't say it, but just be chill about it and maybe you'll be fine.

I mean, said poster just proved Melody's point about some users just coming to the thread to bash people for wanting a race. While yes, a discussion forum invites discussion, it's one thing to politely disagree (which has indeed happened) and another to intentionally bash or bait people over preferences (which has also been very common).

Also, it bears repeating that there was too much time between Viera and Hroth announcement, so posters were preparing for the worst, and the silence until Yoshi's interview post-Hroth-reveal made people very tense. If we'd known "technical limitations" before the whole <kupo>fest, the initial response would probably have been calmer, as it did calm down once Yoshi said they were trying to appease two different sides of the fanbase and they'd listen to the feedback.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

--The recent budget-expansion-conversation clearly does not match this thread at all
--Is it so absurd to respect the good-natured intention of this thread and simply SUPPORT the wish for playable males? If it is, then tell me why people even click this thread. Only for being cynical?
--When I click this thread, I want to see interesting fan-concepts (text, sketches, cosplays) and read ideas how things could be implemented ingame. Yet, many things on all these pages imply that several people have more fun turning a sweet-attempt-of-a-thread into a text-accumulation against the original purpose.
--So often I hear is "discussion", "discussion", "discussion"... You want to discuss? Then discuss the really fascinating stuff - like in, would male Viera have faces similar soft to the Miqo'te-boys or more adult like Elezen-men. Or how buff /muscular a Hroth-lady would be, in case you honestly want to expand the conversation. There's also the question, what a default outfit for the two of them could be.

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-I wonder why...its as if thats a different thread...
-We've already been over this....this thread is on an Open Forum. Forums are for discussion.
-You do, You have, and you will, when people choose to post such things. Same goes for anybody who has an opposite opinion.
The Negativity only happens when you engage in it. You can easily ignore people who spout negativity, and keep the Conversation going on Supporting Male viera.
Just Support Male Viera, dont engage in Fights. Why is this such a Difficult Concept?
-You say that like Discussion is such a bad thing, lol my lord. That conversation has happened MULTIPLE times! Sad you weren't around to join that discussion.
Good Discussion happens here. Just because a handful of bad and negative people show up doesn't mean Discussion cant happen.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

So often I hear is "discussion", "discussion", "discussion"... You want to discuss? Then discuss the really fascinating stuff - like in, would male Viera have faces similar soft to the Miqo'te-boys or more adult like Elezen-men. Or how buff /muscular a Hroth-lady would be, in case you honestly want to expand the conversation. There's also the question, what a default outfit for the two of them could be.

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Felt like making another Separate post...
Personally, Im part of Team No-Male Viera, for the Lore Standpoint. I personally believe that if we had Male Viera present, it should be through a Mainline FF game at least 1st. That being said, at the same time Im not completely against it if done right. Like if the Empire is up to something that would literally inspire The Male Viera to come out of the Woods to Join the Fight; Sacrificing the Laws of the Forest and Loosing her Voice in order to Protect it. Something like that would make for Compelling Lore, and they could then start to join the Females out on adventures around the world. Even if some of them try to return to the forests despite losing the Voice of the Forest.
Then I have my own thoughts on how they would look, there is a picture someone made Id have to dig up that I think would be perfect bodywise. I see them as more Masculine like the Au-ra, but Height-wise I think they should be about the same as the Females.
Honestly, Im not clothing Master, so in talks of Default Clothing, Im lost there and cant contribute.

Then, they are separate from the Viera, but if talking about Female Hrothgar, Im pulling for them to follow in the footsteps of the Male Roe Body, and so give the Females the Female Roe Body. Id personally love to see Masculine Beast Ladies instead of soft and cute. And my god, if the Females have cute, soft Human Faces, I might break something. Lol
Clothing on them, the best I can muster, not being good with fashion, is something similar to the Miqote. But instead of a Skirt, some Pants, or even Shorts.

See? Even though Im techincally on the Opposite side of this discussion, I can still add to it and not Fan Flames of Hate.
Though I might Shitpost and troll every so often.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

When people try to wedge questions about Viera and Hrothgar into things like the "Q&A with the sound director" call for questions, it certainly seems like people expect them to discuss it in every interview - regardless of the relevance, and when they've made it clear that there's no more to say.

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Maybe its because people know that this is the only way to get their attention? Look at the male bunny suit or egi glamour. Would we have gotten those if we did not ask them about it again and again? Also they are the ones picking the questions. There is no harm in asking as long as its not rude..and if they choose to pick that one and then act annoyed..well they only have themselves to blame.

About your point a few pages back with neutral topics: Why should people need to post something neutral as topic itself? Maybe they just dont like it and want to write why? And sometimes they want to have the opinion of others too but I honestly dont see what a neutral title itself would do. The discussion inside it would be mixed anyways. (Look at this one..its a support thread..something positive..and yet more than enough people just come here to post useless off topic insults)

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

And the Whole Livestream thing was a separate conversation that has nothing to do with this thread. Weird how people are suddenly so focused on it.

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>> brings up the livestream thing
>> wonders why people are focused on it

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Though I might Shitpost and troll every so often.

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Yeah, pretty sure most of us know that already. At least your latest post was worthwhile.
I don't care what kind of racial outfit we get for male viera, and female hrothgar based off of female roegadyn's model sounds good to me.

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Very nice! :D

I see this disgusting thread is still alive. This game is already mostly morally-defunct. Male Viera would probably be the last straw for me. Not to mention the lore implications.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Yeah, pretty sure most of us know that already. At least your latest post was worthwhile.
I don't care what kind of racial outfit we get for male viera, and female hrothgar based off of female roegadyn's model sounds good to me.

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Lol....Great to know I didn't fly under the Radar.
But Ive advocated several times for this threads existence and that everyone has the right to their opinion on it. That no Male Viera supporter should feel different for their support all because a bad egg appears every so often. I also talked about how I would like them to look in the event we might even get Male Viera. So its not like this is the only time Ive ever said anything Positive and worthwhile in this Thread.

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That no Male Viera supporter should feel different for their support all because a bad egg appears every so often.

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I mean, you say that, and then bring up things like people spamming livestreams. I don't really get the intent behind it. If you want to discuss that spamming livestreams is bad, then ok. I agree. Good talk.

But putting all that aside, I wanted to talk about your issue with the lore. While I disagree with you on that, I do understand where you're coming from. It would definitely be interesting to see a story-related reason as to why male viera are suddenly appearing in the game. It would be pretty.. uh, what's the word, cinematic? However, even if we don't get some sort of story-related reason, I'd still like to see male viera as a playable character.

The warrior of light is a really unique character that doesn't follow social norms, and we play under the assumption that we, the player, are the main character. Just like there are very few male miqo'te in lore, the same can be done for male viera. Other players are just random adventurer's in your story and their race is irrelevant. Even if male viera are elusive in lore, you are the one unique male viera who is the warrior of light in your story.

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I mean, you say that, and then bring up things like people spamming livestreams. I don't really get the intent behind it. If you want to discuss that spamming livestreams is bad, then ok. I agree. Good talk.

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Then it sounds like this conversation is good and done. Lol, Moving on.

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Originally Posted by Senn

But putting all that aside, I wanted to talk about your issue with the lore. While I disagree with you on that, I do understand where you're coming from. It would definitely be interesting to see a story-related reason as to why male viera are suddenly appearing in the game. It would be pretty.. uh, what's the word, cinematic? However, even if we don't get some sort of story-related reason, I'd still like to see male viera as a playable character.

The warrior of light is a really unique character that doesn't follow social norms, and we play under the assumption that we, the player, are the main character. Just like there are very few male miqo'te in lore, the same can be done for male viera. Other players are just random adventurer's in your story and their race is irrelevant. Even if male viera are elusive in lore, you are the one unique male viera who is the warrior of light in your story.

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Id still love a Story-Related reason to put them in the game. Its up to SE/Yoshi-p and team if/how they wanna write them in, but I think alot of people who are opposed to Male Viera would jump on board if they too saw a good Lore-reason for the Male Viera to suddenly join the fight and leave the Forest. So as much as many people don't care and think its irrelevant, and Bring up the Miqote, I think Male Vieras getting Lore that makes sense and ties them to coming out of hiding would benefit them because it would also Convince any/everybody against them being in the game, to turn around and support it.
At least the people who care a little to much about a Races Lore. And like good writing to expand the universe they are invested in.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Id still love a Story-Related reason to put them in the game. Its up to SE/Yoshi-p and team if/how they wanna write them in, but I think alot of people who are opposed to Male Viera would jump on board if they too saw a good Lore-reason for the Male Viera to suddenly join the fight and leave the Forest. So as much as many people don't care and think its irrelevant, and Bring up the Miqote, I think Male Vieras getting Lore that makes sense and ties them to coming out of hiding would benefit them because it would also Convince any/everybody against them being in the game, to turn around and support it.
At least the people who care a little to much about a Races Lore. And like good writing to expand the universe they are invested in.

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It would be better to have a story-related reason for the appearance of male viera for sure. It would be cool to see unfold. The idea of seeing more male viera npc appear little by little in the story is appealing.

But I'm just saying even if there's no reason and they're just added as a playable character in the story, I'd be fine with that, too. I don't remember since it's been a long time, but there was never a story-related reason for when they added au ra, right? It never made sense for Yugiri to have to cover herself up, especially if you're playing as an au ra yourself. There are a few immersion breaking things like that in this game, but even if it's not ideal, I don't think that should be a reason to stop the dev team from implementing playable male viera.

Overall, I do think it would be nice and better to have a story-related reason for their inclusion, but even if they don't, I'd still like it if male viera were added.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I don't remember since it's been a long time, but there was never a story-related reason for when they added au ra, right? It never made sense for Yugiri to have to cover herself up, especially if you're playing as an au ra yourself. There are a few immersion breaking things like that in this game, but even if it's not ideal, I don't think that should be a reason to stop the dev team from implementing playable male viera.

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It's been said before, but Yugiri covered herself up because she "tought she'd be too odd a sight in Eorzea". That's the in-universe reason. The out-of-universe reason is, simply, the model wasn't done. Of course, this was also a plot point in 3.0, when Au Ra are mentioned to having been shot on sight by Ishgardians (namely, the Xaela in the WHM quests, I'm terrible with names, you'll have to forgive me), but the Xaela from the DRK quests is... there... and an Auri PC can waltz, tango, or foxtrot into Ishgard without anyone batting an eye. Yugiri even tells an Auri PC the same thing about not wanting to freak out Eorzeans.
As an aside, Roegadames didn't have a Lore reason for their exclusion, they were just... excluded, Miqo'te had a hint of a reason with a Lore similar to the Viera (Moonkeepers, since Sunseekers don't have the whole "hidden in the woods, away from settlements" tidbit that Mooncats do. That's why we can see Nuhns and Tias in-game but there's less than a handful of Keeper males... among NPCs. Keeper males are very popular among the playerbase).

But, again, since Moonkeeper Lore is so similar to Viera Lore...

I swear it's been the 5th or 10th time I've had to say that...

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Of course, this was also a plot point in 3.0, when Au Ra are mentioned to having been shot on sight by Ishgardians (namely, the Xaela in the WHM quests, I'm terrible with names, you'll have to forgive me), but the Xaela from the DRK quests is... there... and an Auri PC can waltz, tango, or foxtrot into Ishgard without anyone batting an eye.

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Oh that's right, I remember reading something about that in the game. Wouldn't au ra players or npc be killed if they walked into Ishgard because of lore? I totally forgot about that.

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Originally Posted by Senn

But I'm just saying even if there's no reason and they're just added as a playable character in the story, I'd be fine with that, too. I don't remember since it's been a long time, but there was never a story-related reason for when they added au ra, right? It never made sense for Yugiri to have to cover herself up, especially if you're playing as an au ra yourself. There are a few immersion breaking things like that in this game, but even if it's not ideal, I don't think that should be a reason to stop the dev team from implementing playable male viera.

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WhiteArchmage already explained the Au-ra above. But the only thing Ill say about that is...the Au-ra are a brandnew race so far exclusive to XIV, while the Viera have been established in Ivalice since Tactics, and then we see them again in the Familiar land of Ivalice in XII. Their Lore is already written, and kept consistent. Its not new to XIV like the other races are.

Despite our differences, we both at least agree a good story would make it more interesting for them to be in the game.
And I wont get mad or fight anybody if they DO get put into the game. I just hope and would appreciate some good writing behind it besides "Just because" And this is only exclusive to the Viera, because again, they were made before this game, so Id just like their lore to be consistent and Id rather it be Expanded on, instead of lazily ignored Just to put them into the game.